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GTO yes or no

So I was browsing through the local on line car sales and came across this car at a shop I know very well.

https://tw.serviceplus.yahoo.com/ite...l/100043677312

What you guys think? The price is around 780,000 US
Future classic or ....
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So I was browsing through the local on line car sales and came across this car at a shop I know very well.

https://tw.serviceplus.yahoo.com/ite...l/100043677312

What you guys think? The price is around 780,000 US
Future classic or ....

Why?

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Why? Why so expensive or why I post this?
No main reason just wondered what other people's opinions were.
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Wow, Impressive. I wonder if they all live in the same garage.

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Wow, Impressive. I wonder if they all live in the same garage.
The 288 lives in this garage (the old riding school at Wilton House) along with His Lordship's Veyron, a Gullwing Merc, Porsche 962, BMW M1 and sundry other desirable motorcars. Not sure about the 250 or the 599.
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So I was browsing through the local on line car sales and came across this car at a shop I know very well.

https://tw.serviceplus.yahoo.com/ite...l/100043677312

What you guys think? The price is around 780,000 US
Future classic or ....
Hello Will,
Personally i not like so much the 599 design but the GTO version have a different flavor, 670 hp and new exhaust do a strong character and best voice ...
I think probably will be a future classic because there are not more pieces, but that future i think is not near.....
For me, i repeat for me and another can think different, on the balance plate i woul put for first "you like GTO or not", i would buy not only for a future, but to drive and enjoy in the present.
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I like the GTO - it's close to the 599 HGTE which may hold back the value.

On the other hand one could probably drive the tires off repeatedly and it won't depreciate which is a nice problem.
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Why? Why so expensive or why I post this?
No main reason just wondered what other people's opinions were.


Will, sorry I wasn't clear, I meant why would one choose to pay so much for that car? Of course it is nothing more than a personal view but I am just not at all enamored of the 599 to begin with, far too large and to my eye the least attractive of the late model V12s. I wouldn't dream of investing that much in the car. Think of this: that kind of money will buy you a very good 330GTC or a flawless 365GTB4 Daytona.

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I know right. Prices here are ridiculous.
The 599 isn't the best looking but it is a great drive. I don't find it that big. Is it worth it over a brand new f12 with which you get more power and brand new warranty. Who knows its all in the personal view.
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I know right. Prices here are ridiculous.
The 599 isn't the best looking but it is a great drive. I don't find it that big. Is it worth it over a brand new f12 with which you get more power and brand new warranty. Who knows its all in the personal view.
Hi Will,
i understand your point of view, regardless of the money.
The F12 is more better in all things in respect to the 599, external design, handling and engine, but i think the lot of numbers is not good for future value ....
If i not think to the future i would buy the F12, but approx at the same price, the 599 GTO version is a interesting choice to have both the things, future value and actual enjoy driving (high handling, high power, exclusivity due to the low built numbers ...)

This is interesting.

http://ww3.autoscout24.it/classified...?asrc=fa|sr,as

If the maximum power and the racing handling is not a priority, the Seth advise are another good choice.
Personally if i could have more $$, for first i would buy the GTO, and in second the classic Daytona or 330, perhaps between 30 years my thinking will be opposite!!

Following an interesting article, i hope to help you.

http://dailyautofix.com/editors-pick...rrari-599-gto/

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Well for me, the 250 created the GTO badge. The 288 was built for competition not for the street per se, and so it also wears the GTO badge for the right reasons. In light of it's GTO ancestors I'm hard pressed to understand why the 599 wears the GTO badge. Although if I'm going to be critical, I have to point my finger at Pontiac first.

Still, the 599 GTO is an exercise in awesomeness as far as I am concerned no matter what name you slap on the backside.

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Will, sorry I wasn't clear, I meant why would one choose to pay so much for that car? Of course it is nothing more than a personal view but I am just not at all enamored of the 599 to begin with, far too large and to my eye the least attractive of the late model V12s. I wouldn't dream of investing that much in the car. Think of this: that kind of money will buy you a very good 330GTC or a flawless 365GTB4 Daytona.
Aside from price, a Daytona is hardly comparable to a 599. They are two completely different products.

However, to answer the opener's question,
No, I believe it's unlikely that any 599 (except for, maybe, the Aperta) will become a classic.
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Well for me, the 250 created the GTO badge. The 288 was built for competition not for the street per se, and so it also wears the GTO badge for the right reasons. In light of it's GTO ancestors I'm hard pressed to understand why the 599 wears the GTO badge. Although if I'm going to be critical, I have to point my finger at Pontiac first.
599 "GTO" is, IMO, purely a bit of marketing hype, an abuse of the designation (a bit like Porsche using "Carrera" on my 911, which is a bog-standard road car, the "entry level" 911 of its time). I do find your Pontiac connection rather apposite, as it is fundamentally no different in principle from Ferrari using GTO on the 599, though I dare say that 599 GTO owners may be less amused by it than am I!

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Aside from price, a Daytona is hardly comparable to a 599. They are two completely different products.
That is absolutely true. But if they were available at the same price (which I am not sure they are), I know which one I would choose.

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Buongiorno, Aside from price, a Daytona is hardly comparable to a 599. They are two completely different products. However, to answer the opener's question,
No, I believe it's unlikely that any 599 (except for, maybe, the Aperta) will become a classic.

Andreas, of course you are correct, there is no comparison. My entire point was why would one invest that kind of money when the same money would buy a Daytona in excellent condition.

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Andreas, of course you are correct, there is no comparison. My entire point was why would one invest that kind of money when the same money would buy a Daytona in excellent condition.
Seth,
I understand and agree with your point of view– although I own a 599, I don't think I'd be willing to pay for a GTO a premium which will bring the price up to roughly the same of a Daytona.

However, yours and mine are some enthusiasts' point of view not everybody gets to have– not everybody is interested in vintage cars, indeed.
Furthermore, it helps to remember, in Europe four years ago GTOs were priced at around 350-400K euros vs. Daytonas at 200-250K: if everybody had been of our opinion, Ferrari wouldn't have sold a single car. In 2004 Daytona were valued even less: nobody would have even bought the very 575 you're currently enjoying!

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Hi Will,
i understand your point of view, regardless of the money.
The F12 is more better in all things in respect to the 599, external design, handling and engine, but i think the lot of numbers is not good for future value ....
If i not think to the future i would buy the F12, but approx at the same price, the 599 GTO version is a interesting choice to have both the things, future value and actual enjoy driving (high handling, high power, exclusivity due to the low built numbers ...)

This is interesting.

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If the maximum power and the racing handling is not a priority, the Seth advise are another good choice.
Personally if i could have more $$, for first i would buy the GTO, and in second the classic Daytona or 330, perhaps between 30 years my thinking will be opposite!!

Following an interesting article, i hope to help you.

Would you buy a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta or a Ferrari 599 GTO? - Daily Auto Fix
I agree with Fabio completely on this, furthermore, I am not one of those who think that the 599 series in general are not among Pininfarina's best works. Its all a matter of personal taste but I feel that with time it will be appreciated for the simple and clean design masterpiece it is. The only real knock against the 599 in my opinion is the size (I recall the same being true of the Testarossa originally, how things change) and despite the fact that I own a 575M Maranello, I love the 599. Unlike most others here on this thread I actually prefer the design of the 599, and for me the 599 GTO is the ultimate expression of the 599, being derived from the FXX program as it was and not a marketing ploy as some here would suggest. Having said that, a choice between a 599 GTO and an F12 is a very difficult one as I love the design of the F12 and once again feel that its another superior design to the generation before it, but from an investment point of view, its hands down got to be the 599 GTO.

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