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post #181 of 410 Old 01-19-2015, 12:57 PM
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Fabio- The biggest difference in sound will probably be that you have an X-pipe and he will likely have straight pipes. That makes for a considerable difference in sound.

I definitely do not need titanium.

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Fabio- The biggest difference in sound will probably be that you have an X-pipe and he will likely have straight pipes. That makes for a considerable difference in sound.

I definitely do not need titanium.

Terry, on the 550, if I remember correct, he have the OE central muffler, and on back two little silencer like motorcycle (he explain me but i didn't seen), I advised him to install straight pipes.
For my side i not tested the OE straight pipes on mine, but is a test that i want to do!
In this period i'm busy, but i need to find time, is a test to do.
About titanium, i think like you, and if the welds are not perfectly did is possible to crack.... I reed that on motorcycle forum initaly, some persons that have exhaust titanium on motorcycle, have cracked exhaust ...
I don't know how is in USA, but in Italy as soon you ask to an supplier a non standard thing, they answer not ....i'm refering to material supplier and bending supplier, i not found a bender who have R=1D!!

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Fabio- All the C5 Z06 Corvettes had titanium exhausts and there were not any problems with the three I owned, but GM has access to just about anything they want. Not sure who made those exhausts for them, but probably not something to tackle on a very small scale.

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Hello guys,
read this thread, please, about 355 headers.
Is interesting, have used 304, grade L or not i don't know ...


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Ours are 304 stainless with 1.5mm wall thickness. The factory heat shields are indeed reattached, and packed with insulation. From outward appearances, they "look" stock.

Regardless of how the cores arrive to us, all the piping is replaced with new -- only the flanges and collectors are reused. New air rails are fitted too. Here is a picture of "new" manifolds before the shields were fitted, and still in the rebuilding stage:

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Fabio,
In my opinion, which is all that matters to me on MY car, 304L is perfectly fine. Even balsa wood may be better than the crap that our factory ferrari headers are made of.

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system price

Hello guys,
I told that i could do the exhaust systems for who would be interested, in two version cat and no cat.
Last week i have received the last invoices from my suppliers, and i did my evaluation to do prices for each single items, prices are in euro, in Italy, without VAT and without shipping costs.
Refering TABLE1 Rev1:
- manifolds, two (with secondary air system) EUR 4250
- manifolds, two (without secondary air system) EUR 3500
- catalyzer, with heat protection (items 3 or 4) EUR 1530 (each)
- no CAT pipes, two (not shown) EUR 490
- straight pipes, two (items 5,6) EUR 380
- kit accessories for 1 system (items 7,8,9,10,11,12) EUR 160

Note: manifolds price are with pickling and micro blasting with glass spheres, without this treatment i can reduce the price of 160 EUR for the couple, next week i will post the pictures of manifolds without micro blasting.

Note: catalyzers are of big quality, same used from Ferrari, Maserati exc., are expensive but I not wanted to risk with other available of lower quality, my supplier not advise me because they are not affidable for this employ.

For the delivery time, at the moment i have the material for one couple of manifolds,
the delivery time of materials, (all: pipes, laser plates, cats) is from 2 weeks to 4 weeks, after that doing the tack welds, bring to the welder, micro blasting and for last control and cleaning, i estimated about one month.
From today, minimum two month to have systems finished (one or more), if i will stock materials in my workshop, i think that one month will be sufficient.

Probably you expected lower prices, sincerly also I, but I'm in Italy and i choice a construction way that probably is a little bit expensive in comparison to the other italian company that produce manifolds for 550/575, but not 6-1, 3-1 +3-1 and the sound is complete different.
I did the most important pieces by CNC machining, also for the connection pipes i did a pieces of pipe machined, as you can see on my pictures, the cone pipes on the connection 6-1 want lots of work to do.
I did the V-clamps and gaskets from suppliers as per my drawing....
If you try to find on web a pictures of manifolds of that i refered before, you can see by your self the difference, and the assence of secondary air system tha i do like the original, with the system mounted on car, you not see the difference.

My first client had buy from me without price, he liked my prototype during construction, and he ordered for his 550 without price, when he listened from live, he love the sound ........ , next week i will tell you the final price, i hope he still like ...

I'm at disposal for all questions.

At today I have one catalyzed system on my 575 under testing (150 km now, with lots of hot cold cycle) without any problems, next week i will delivery a no cat system for a 550 that will be on track.
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Absolutely beautiful. Wish I had the cash to just do this upgrade. I know where my manifolds are going to come from when they need to be replaced. Here's a question . Since they will fit a 550 and a 575 would they not also fit the 612 scag. More volume in production might make them a little more affordable. GTS Bruce
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Absolutely beautiful. Wish I had the cash to just do this upgrade. I know where my manifolds are going to come from when they need to be replaced. Here's a question . Since they will fit a 550 and a 575 would they not also fit the 612 scag. More volume in production might make them a little more affordable. GTS Bruce

Hi Bruce,
Thanks, for your compliments...
My manifolds plus the two cats are able to fit also on 612, the thing that i not know is if the straight pipes are able to to fit with the central muffler of 612, for know that, i need two big cats of 612 to mount on my equipment and check if the end points are the same, in wrong cae is esay to do new pipes.
More volume in production might make them a little more affordable? Yes Bruce, i did prices based on a production of 20 kits, probably if I buy more pieces from supplier they can reduce the price .....

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This evening i will retire the complete system for a 550 without cats from the welder,
last saturday my client came to me and is happy to will install early, his first track will be at Mugello on next months ...
The exhaust will be install by Stefano, my Ferrari dealer mechanic.
He not trembled after i told the price ....
Tomorrow some pictures ....

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Good Morning Guys,
this morning i have finished the system for the F550 without cat for my first client, now is ready for the installation.
I posted some pictures of the system including some interesting details (to me at least interesting), please note the Z cut on the connection pipes, like the original connection type of Ferrari and Maserati, that do more elasticity and a created labyrinth that exclude losses of gas, you know well how other company do this point.
When i installed my x-pipe, buyed from a famous italian company, i had problem of losses because they do 4 little straight cuts that are bad for losses!
But to do this type of cuts I had to built an equipment .....
Other Details are the inside of the flange, and the connection between all flanges, this make easy the installation because the wheelbases are locked, the flanges remain aligned and are less welding retire.
On my system i did the micro glass blasting because i thinked was a good look, but at the after personally I prefere this look ....
I'm very curious to listen the sound without the cats .....
Weights are following:
- Manifold Kg 4 each
- Delete cat pipe Kg 1.4 each
- Stragit pipe Kg 1.5 each
- Two V-Clamps + two supports Kg 0.5
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Fabio- Those look really pretty. Should be quite a sound.

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Fabio,
Attention to every detail and excellent workmanship.
Just...Bravo Bravo
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Am I right in thinking that a setup the same as yours would be €7000 + vat + shipping?

As it stands today, when could delivery be?

What a noise!!! A very big well done. An EPIC sound. I'm definitely interested in a setup from you.
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Am I right in thinking that a setup the same as yours would be €7000 + vat + shipping?

As it stands today, when could delivery be?

What a noise!!! A very big well done. An EPIC sound. I'm definitely interested in a setup from you.
James,
"EPIC" thanks ...hahaha ...
my first client, who will take his system next saturday, told me that my video are nice .. but from alive is more over !!! He listened my 575 from alive ....

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Fabio, that work just can be considered art. Amazing, really.


Is there a chance of HGTC back-boxes?

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Fabio, that work just can be considered art. Amazing, really.


Is there a chance of HGTC back-boxes?

Thanks,
About the HGTC rear silencers, there Were one set on ebay in australia, but now is expired ....
I've designed a rear silencer with the tail pipes like HGTC, tomorrow i send you a picture.

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Fabio, that work just can be considered art. Amazing, really.


Is there a chance of HGTC back-boxes?
Hi goliat,
also today i not find on ebay HGTC rear silencers ...
as promised, on following a picture of my design of rear silencer with bypass, and big different tone between closed and open bypass.
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Fabio- There was a set of Superamerica HGTC mufflers on US E-Bay just recently. Not noted as HGTC, but they are.

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Fabio- There was a set of Superamerica HGTC mufflers on US E-Bay just recently. Not noted as HGTC, but they are.
Terry,
Is for goliat, tell him the link, perhaps he woul to buy.

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WOW!!! Your work is amazing, really.


Fabio, first IŽll try with the Bradan straight pipes that Terry suggested (by the way really thank you for the contact, Danny at Bradan is just a phenomenal guy) to see if with the modification that factory underwent in 5/2004 is enough for the car and for me or not. If not, next step is to go for the HGTC final silencers (yours or original, weŽll see).

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