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Is a 456 / 612 winter salt proof ?

Dumb question I guess. However with the introduction of the 4 wheeler FF, winter tires and real salt road use are not a "non-go" anymore.
This brings me the the above question as how prone to part time salt road driving would be a 456 MGT or a 612 be ? Understood that both have mainly a steel body...opposite to the newer Ferraris.
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Dumb question I guess. However with the introduction of the 4 wheeler FF, winter tires and real salt road use are not a "non-go" anymore.
This brings me the the above question as how prone to part time salt road driving would be a 456 MGT or a 612 be ? Understood that both have mainly a steel body...opposite to the newer Ferraris.
Your thoughts ?

FF 4 wheeler is a complete new world for F cars, now snow is not a driving barrier .....
The body of FF is in Al and this is more resistant to the corrosion in respect to the steel of 456/612 but is not indifferent to the salt ....
For the other side, also 456/614 can be used with winter tyres, with prudence if there is snow .... but ...
but ... if you want to drive everyday your F with every weather, this is possible and probably enjoying every time ... but a car like this not will be a car collectible for the future ....
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I thought the 612 is all aluminum - no steel.

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I thought the 612 is all aluminum - no steel.
456 is aluminum,.
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Fabio- 456 steel chassis and aluminum body, 612 aluminum body and chassis.

212- Both have extensive corrosion proofing, but...who knows?

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Fabio- 456 steel chassis and aluminum body, 612 aluminum body and chassis.

212- Both have extensive corrosion proofing, but...who knows?
Thanks for the answers. I played with the idea (as many here, I guess) of using a older 4 seater F-car as a everyday car (it seems that I'm constantly touched by those very elegant 456 lines). However as I live not in Texas or New Mexico I will most likely skip this idea as fantasies should probably stop at a certain "salt barrier".

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The salt / debris of winter is hard on cars. The 612 with full clear bra performed good but the tires ...

Suggest buying a 612 - don't worry about justifying it

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I drove my 612 through about 6 inches of snow & slush this past winter, right after it was delivered a street over from my home. Of course, here in Charlotte (NC), they just kind of wait for things to melt, rather than salting secondary roads. Only the major roads get any help. The 612 plowed right through the stuff better than my Hyundai Elantra GT.

I used to live in Denver (CO), and I believe they just use dirt instead. Problem there is you tend to lose a windshield per year on your everyday car, due to rocks in the dirt that gets kicked up by larger vehicles. Then there are the hail storms; but, that's only if you venture too often to DIA.

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The salt / debris of winter is hard on cars. The 612 with full clear bra performed good but the tires ...

Suggest buying a 612 - don't worry about justifying it
Haha...yes, the justifications always looms at the horizon...

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I admire your spirit, 212!!

After you, Barry and I had completed our snowy adventure in Lombardy, I just removed the belly panels and washed with warm water. The panels cover the whole underbody quite well. Nevertheless, some small amounts of salt water always seep in and it's a small job washing it off. With the traction control fully on, the 612 ploughs through the snow without difficulties. Its long wheel base makes it steady and predictable. But winter driving, as you know, is mainly about driving on wet salty tarmac or dry cold tarmac. This is not a problem in CH as the roads are quite clean from grit. The warmer running winter tyres will let you use sport mode and in the dry, even race mode.

My winter driving in nice cars is restricted to dry tarmac. The stable weather has given me only two surprises with snow en route, once with you and Barry and once in the Corniche.

You are free to make a bid on my excellent 2009 612. Who knows, I might let it go if it's to you?! Nothing combines elegance, comfort and sportiness like a 612.

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I'd say go for it however one could argue that it would make more sense to use a high miles example that could take a bit of punishment and not subject a "garage queen" to the "ordeal" of death by salt...

Of course garaging it would be very helpful as cars that have electric windows that need to drop before you open the doors can be a nightmare in the winter as moisture on a warm car often freezes overnight and door window glass can frees to the door seals which sounds like a recipe for disaster on a 456..

The dream solution might require a ramp at home and the time/inclination/staff (delete as appropriate!) to keep it as clean as possible and some cryongenic cleaning equipment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrHchu1tNyc

I lreally ike the idea of this technique but most of the videos on the 'net seem to suggest that the crud just disappears but the reality is that it is just dislodged and someone would then need to clean up wherever it all landed.
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Good spirit!! I did some winter driving in Norway with the 456M and it was many cold days with sunshine and dry tarmac. I would say those days are worth much as there are mostly boring cars on the roads... But you must have another car for those bad winter days. It is not possible to use a 456 in real winter conditions at least where I live. Salt is on thing, but snow can make you stuck in a couple of minutes. The wide front tires are a problem because they will make a compact wedge Of wet snow in front of themselevs, causing the rear wheels to spin and polish the ground. Then you have a problem. I think the rest of the car will be ok. Put in a thin oil when it's cold. It makes starts much easier for the engine. Good luck! Buy a GM truck in addition to the 456! Then you have everything you can dream of
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Good spirit!! I did some winter driving in Norway with the 456M and it was many cold days with sunshine and dry tarmac. I would say those days are worth much as there are mostly boring cars on the roads... But you must have another car for those bad winter days. It is not possible to use a 456 in real winter conditions at least where I live. Salt is on thing, but snow can make you stuck in a couple of minutes. The wide front tires are a problem because they will make a compact wedge Of wet snow in front of themselevs, causing the rear wheels to spin and polish the ground. Then you have a problem. I think the rest of the car will be ok. Put in a thin oil when it's cold. It makes starts much easier for the engine. Good luck! Buy a GM truck in addition to the 456! Then you have everything you can dream of

I can imagine the loads of snow which may fall within minutes in Norway. Switzerland is very densely populated, that said, when snow falls around midnight it will be cleaned away by the next morning as they work all night long to clean the streets. On one side good, but the other side is that they start to salt the road with the first snowflake reaching the ground. This is the poison here for our cars. Even the GM truck will rost after some time. So I guess my front wheel drive VW may will be still the choice to stay with.

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This will also affect my decision which car to take to Ticino. If there is salt on the roads, my Ferraris stay inside.


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I always think of a winter car where it snows heavily as a sacrifical anode. Salt will eventually affect all of them, and even aluminum corrodes.

Besides rust, ground clearance is always an issue with Ferraris if it gets over about 3"/76 mm deep.

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This will also affect my decision which car to take to Ticino. If there is salt on the roads, my Ferraris stay inside.


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Guys there is almost nothing rustproof agains salt except plastics. I live where they use a lot of salt on roads and cars desintegrate after some years. Aluminum is also weak with salt. Enclosed trailers that are used a lot in winter corrode very fast on salty roads.
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F430 Manual warns about salt and states you should wash/clean your car fairly quickly.
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To put the issue of rustproofing in perspective, I did a quick google search, and it seems that Ferrari offers NO WARRANTY against rust / corrosion on their FF.

One would think they'd offer one for this car, which is marketed as snow-capable, but they do not.

Others such as Chevy offer a three year warranty.
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You guys are mostly just taking into consideration the big pieces of the car. There are a lot of small parts that are exposed that become a bigger issue, now that the cars are using very little steel. The plating on the hardware under the car isn't very robust. Just about every nut, bolt, stud and sleeve is going to corrode and seize in it's installed position.


The other issue I've notice with the newer cars which sue a lot of vented plastic under body and fender panels, the cars are very much designed to funnel cool air in and hot air out of critical areas. This design also allows road crud to enter and settle in cracks and crevasses, going unnoticed for extended periods of time.


The car isn't likely to rust through the door bottoms and fender arches like in the past, but simple jobs become difficult ones and parts that normally don't need to be replaced become necessary to replace.


Don't forget all the electrical adventures that pop up along the way as that corrosion encouraging junk gets into the chassis grounds and any other connection it can find it's way into.



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