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550 -- very late model ?!

A beautiful 550 is for sale in Switzerland, 20'k's only, late production Chassis number 126532. My question: Anybody knows HOW late that chassis production was in terms of 550 production times ? mid '02, late '02 ? Thank you for hints !

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Terry will know.

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Are you referring to the blue one in Geneva 1st registered in 04/2003 according to the listing? I might take a look at this myself in the not to distant future but I'm more tempted by higher milage examples at half the price... What blue do you think it is (I can't quite make it out from the photos).

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Are you referring to the blue one in Geneva 1st registered in 04/2003 according to the listing? I might take a look at this myself in the not to distant future but I'm more tempted by higher milage examples at half the price... What blue do you think it is (I can't quite make it out from the photos).

P.S. I found this link referring to the 575m launch which indicates that the first cars were built in 1H 2002 First Look at the New Ferrari 575M Maranello - Photos and Just-Released Details - Road & Track
Yes, that is the one. Is offered since 3 years but Price was lowered only recently (before to high)!
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the month made/produced iirc is on one of the id plates on door jamb or door
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212- 126532 shows as TDF/Cuoio in Matthias' book and would have been built in Fall 2001 among about the last 25 built. Last 550s built were in the 1268xx serial number range, and 575M production ramped up around serial number 12689x, well after the first two preproduction 575Ms, 123764 and 123765.

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It would appear then that it might have sat un-registered for 18 months after it was built...

212 what was the recent asking price before they dropped it, if you don't mind me asking?
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212- 126532 shows as TDF/Cuoio in Matthis' book and would have been built in Fall 2001 among about the last 25 built. Last 550s built were in the 1268xx serial number range, and 575M production ramped up around serial number 12689x, well after the first two preproduction 575Ms, 123764 and 123765.
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It would appear then that it might have sat un-registered for 18 months after it was built...

212 what was the recent asking price before they dropped it, if you don't mind me asking?
It was Swiss Francs 110' and then 98' for the last 2 years. Have Seen the car, looks very nice however has not runned for 4 years at least. Big service and bellt change included in price, tyres are 8 years old (if remembered correctly). Even with the lower price, that price region is still way up in 575 FHP territory (for swiss price relation comparison) but without FHP , no special amenities and a certain no using risk ! On the Opposite side of the equation: great Color combo, hardly any miles and very Late production 550!

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On the Opposite side of the equation: great Color combo, hardly any miles and very Late production 550!
And manual gearbox.

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And manual gearbox.
True!

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A beautiful 550 is for sale in Switzerland, 20'k's only, late production Chassis number 126532. My question: Anybody knows HOW late that chassis production was in terms of 550 production times ? mid '02, late '02 ? Thank you for hints !



Hi 212,
you're hunting a v12 ? ....
550 is a great v12

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MogulBoy- Preproduction 575Ms 123764 and 123765 were produced in Spring 2001, brought up to 575M standards by Ferrari later and sold in Spring 2003. A second group of preproduction 575Ms began around serial number 125370 (125371, 377, and 381 included), one of the Geneva Show cars, in late Summer 2001. These, also, were later brought up to production standards and sold.

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Interestingly, the late production 550 mentioned had the last Service done in March 2004 (!!) at 10'k. As the next interval would be 30'k obviously no Service done in between ! Hmmm ?

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Last service in 2004? That qualifies as a barn find in some people's eyes! LOL!


Seriously; it looks lovely although this shot make it look a brigther blue than TDF on my monitor.


A comprehensive recommissioning service may be required and hopefully the workshop staff would push it into the service bay and not let one of the apprentices rag it around the block on its (potentially) 10 yr old cambelt!
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Last service in 2004? That qualifies as a barn find in some people's eyes! LOL!


Seriously; it looks lovely although this shot make it look a brigther blue than TDF on my monitor.


A comprehensive recommissioning service may be required and hopefully the workshop staff would push it into the service bay and not let one of the apprentices rag it around the block on its (potentially) 10 yr old cambelt!
Those have been my thoughts too. I have no idea but how could a engine, drivetrain even the wheel hubs be affected by no usage, no real movement for the last lets say 9 years ? Terry ? Brian ? Is there something like a expiration date for metal when non lubricated before a need for firstly taking it apart before next usage is given ? ;-) (sorry for that dumb question, I'm a amateur).


I would assume that a problem in that respect may be a very, very, very costly experience with a 550. I would share therefore a argument that a 550/575 sparsely but regularly used with double the mileage but 20% lower price may be a better choice for somebody seriously interested in the type.

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I can't tell you what 10 years of non-operation does to a Ferrari, but in an old British car like Jaguar, it would effect the brakes and fuel system the most. The engine virtually not at all.
The brake fluid absorbs moisture, so it would etch the caliper sleeves, usually at the bottom where the pistons meet.
Fuel sitting in a car for ten years would turn to jelly, so the whole system would have to be cleaned out.
I recall another post where Brian and Taz (?) discussed what chemical changes happen to motor oil that sits that long. Although it would require changing of course, I'll rely on others to state whether its actually detrimental.
I don't think it would deter me from considering the car - my Spider had been driven a comparable number of miles in its first six years.

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I can't tell you what 10 years of non-operation does to a Ferrari, but in an old British car like Jaguar, it would effect the brakes and fuel system the most. The engine virtually not at all.
The brake fluid absorbs moisture, so it would etch the caliper sleeves, usually at the bottom where the pistons meet.
Fuel sitting in a car for ten years would turn to jelly, so the whole system would have to be cleaned out.
I recall another post where Brian and Taz (?) discussed what chemical changes happen to motor oil that sits that long. Although it would require changing of course, I'll rely on others to state whether its actually detrimental.
I don't think it would deter me from considering the car - my Spider had been driven a comparable number of miles in its first six years.
Thank you for those very detailed hints !
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212- Even if it was not serviced, the big question would be how much had she been driven during those 9 years. There is also a possibility service records are missing and she was serviced, but the documentation is missing.

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Of course the above car may well have been stored sympathetically and run gently from time to time but if one was to plan to store a car for 10 years, I have read that the old school way was to remove plugs and pour some oil into the bores but at least the air is generally quite dry here in CH so general corrosion should never be a particular concern...

P.S. At the other end of the spectrum, I see a 72'000 km car presently offered in CH (private seller?) at 65% of the asking price of the above and it claims to have been in regular use... That's more the kind of thing that I'm considering but with the incredibile illiquidty within the Swiss market from what I can see (and the high cost of living - dealers of course have to eat!) I would imagine that if a similar car was for sale at a dealer, the vendor would have been lucky to have received a bid in excess of CHF40k on it.
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