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War horse...thoughts and advises ?

Our dear fellow F-lifer Barry seems to like Switzerland and never let go the idea of having a Maranello in Switzerland ready for the Swiss alps ………(but thats up to him to explain). So one (Barry) looks for a car to enjoy Switzerland and the other for a war horse. Possibly a way to settle 1 car for 2 persons.
Life proves sometimes to be kind of a circle….after checking out a beautiful swiss delivery, 1 owner 575 M last spring (black on black, fiorano package, daytona seats, 3 part wheels, 16‘ kilometers at the time) I hesistated somewhat and the car sold for Swiss Franc 90‘ to a swiss buyer. Now, 8 month later, the car turns up again as the owner decided to order a new porsche 911 turbo S and his 575, now at 22‘ kilometers, needs to go. Fixed price is swiss franc 68‘ (app. Euro 55‘, £45‘, what a depreciation for 6‘ k’s!). My feeling is that 55‘ Euros for a April 2004 575 M (paddle shifter) chassis 135673, assembly 53045, with fiorano package and only 22‘ kilometers, serviced 3 times (2007/2010/May 2013, always at official F- dealer, each time including a belt change) is a probably a sound opportunity to get a pure war horse, without the need to care for future mileage, inbetween dirt and else.
Drove the car yesterday, as I did 9 month ago. Pulls very strong and in comparison to my personal wonderful 550 experiences feels extremely hard grounded to the tarmac (influence oft he fiorano package I guess) and sounds very lovely.
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I've only driven the 550/575 twice, and each time it seemed like a big, heavy car (albeit fast). Nimble is not a word id use to describe it, so not exactly the first thing that comes to mind for mountain driving.

But I agree with the rest of your analysis. At that price, it's hard to go wrong.

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I've only driven the 550/575 twice, and each time it seemed like a big, heavy car (albeit fast). Nimble is not a word id use to describe it, so not exactly the first thing that comes to mind for mountain driving.

But I agree with the rest of your analysis. At that price, it's hard to go wrong.

My vote:


Yes, agility is not highest on the agenda, however I see Barry with his wife cruising 2-4 weeks in a pleasant, not to noisy and styleful Ferrari.


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ohhhhhhh just hear......the car is SOLD !


That never happen to me after "reserving" a car. Interesting case for a juristic answer. If a car is reserved by somebody, but another buyer comes up, I previously thought that the seller needs to inform the potential buyer with the Reservation first to come to a decision right now before selling it to the other buyer. At least thats what I thought. I will not dig further as the manager of (NOW thats the reason: Porsche branch ! ;-)) argued helpless. And I hate going after people anyway, it's not worthwhile. But interesting and something to learn.

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I've only driven the 550/575 twice, and each time it seemed like a big, heavy car (albeit fast). Nimble is not a word id use to describe it, so not exactly the first thing that comes to mind for mountain driving.
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That is what I thought when I first got my 550. Until I chased JazzyO in Italy in the mountains in his 458 where he set a fast and smooth pace. The 550 came alive and handled the bends with aplomb. Even more impressive than her straight line power! Further confirmation followed when bluebird and I spent two days driving the Alpine passes (Grimsel, Furka, Stelvio etc etc) in the company of Gallardo, 996 turbo (massaged to 580hp) and two hot AMGs. The 550 kept up no problem and provided a huge amount of thrills with plenty of feedback. Unlike the mid-engine cars that dance through the twists talking through the waist, the big 550 dances through the twists talking through the shoulders.

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212, David- If you baby a Maranello, it will feel like you describe, a bit heavy. If you fling her about, especially one with FHP, she feels much lighter and more maneuverable as she gets up on her toes and goes. The steering on 550s and FHP 575Ms is wonderfully good at feedback and power and 400+ lb-ft of torque helps to rotate her easily, even with a slight forward weight bias. And nothing beats a Maranello for comfortable high speed cruising. Plus they tend to be very reliable.

Will add her to the database, thanks, and sorry you missed out on her. Was not going to last long at that price.

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ohhhhhhh just hear......the car is SOLD !


That never happen to me after "reserving" a car. Interesting case for a juristic answer. If a car is reserved by somebody, but another buyer comes up, I previously thought that the seller needs to inform the potential buyer with the Reservation first to come to a decision right now before selling it to the other buyer. At least thats what I thought. I will not dig further as the manager of (NOW thats the reason: Porsche branch ! ;-)) argued helpless. And I hate going after people anyway, it's not worthwhile. But interesting and something to learn.
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really sold? ...!!!
That black 575 is very nice, i prefer red but also black is strong!
I imagine you would have bought it .....
I never driven maranello's with FHP, I driven my old 550 (std handling) and my actual HGTC, there are big difference, with HGCT handling is like a bike do drive, not like scuderia but big.

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Yes, I feel too a big difference between a 550 and a fiorano packaged 575. Well it shouldn't be this time. Time to look forward. Thanks any way for the thoughts.

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Guys I feel your pain!!

I saw this earlier today and thought we'd be welcoming a new Maranello into the fold this evening but it's not to be.

The search must go on!

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What a nightmare.
I guess the Swiss are not as gentlemanly as I thought, [ Is there any country that is any more]!
To me reserved means reserved. I think the best was though, is just to pay a small deposit, that way they would have much more difficulty wriggling out of the deal.
Still at least it gives you the opportunity to up grade to a 599 [ wait for it]
Good luck and I hope you find a companion to your Daytona soon.
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Barry, next time don't think.....do like Michael and just buy it!!

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Barry, I'm so sorry!

You need to think it wasn't meant to be.

Here's my advice:
Rent a V12 somewhere nice, massacre the car properly until the bug is out of your system, then continue enjoying your fabulous mid engined cars. If the bug reappears in a year; rent a V12 again and do the process all over. If the the bug still reappears; buy one! but here's the beauty of it: prices will at that point in time be even lower!

Cooling it does the trick, trust me!

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But indeed...it's a shame and too bad, mate!

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212- Not to rub salt in the wounds, but 135673 also has the steering position sensor that is only on cars built after around November 2003. Started at AN 52556 and she is 53045. She also had the late straight pipes and different mufflers. Plus the updated wiring harness with 50 amp F1 pump relay.
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212- Not to rub salt in the wounds, but 135673 also has the steering position sensor that is only on cars built after around November 2003. Started at AN 52556 and she is 53045. She also had the late straight pipes and different mufflers. Plus the updated wiring harness with 50 amp F1 pump relay.

I know, Terry, thats why my eyes went to that car 10 minutes after it was offered in the net. You've sended me that paper probably 18 month ago and I still keep it. Not that I'm particularly was looking for a Maranello but if one, then those series YOU recommended. That offer was very attractive and I knew the car from before (having driven it), however I felt like Barry should see it as well, thats why the "Reservation" time.
This type OR the GTC version would be attractive, however the GTC version still has a 50% premium over those late, normal series, not yet attractive price wise imo and as the car would be used as a "war horse" I doubt a more expensive GTC Version would be worthwhile.


BTW, Terry, what is more important to you if you have to choose between the 2: A car with after November 2003 production or Fiorano package (like a late 2002/early 2003 production car) ?

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