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575 3 pedal vs F1 value wise

Ferrari Owners, does anyone have an opinion of value of a 3 pedal vs a F1 575? I have found a low option 3 pedal car with 15k miles with good service records.
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Bob- None that I have seen.

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Ferrari Owners, does anyone have an opinion of value of a 3 pedal vs a F1 575? I have found a low option 3 pedal car with 15k miles with good service records.
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In the UK the 3 pedal 575s command a 10-20% premium.
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Hi Bob, I was told by a well known Ferrari and specialist car dealer (non Ferrari main dealer) in the UK 2 weeks ago that they would list a manual 575M at 15K more than an F1. Average price for a 575M is around 60K or so. In fact I got the impression they we more interested in buying mine, rather than selling me the car in question. I am not sure that a certain amount of this wasn't dealer rhetoric, but there is obviously a little gap opening up at least in the UK where there were only 69 (RHD) manuals.

Obviously I can't translate this to the US market, but you won't go too far wrong with a neat 575M as they are great value right now.

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Ferrari Owners, does anyone have an opinion of value of a 3 pedal vs a F1 575? I have found a low option 3 pedal car with 15k miles with good service records.
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in terms of value its very subjective.
in terms of asking price, in the UK, the few manual 575s that come up seem to be 10K+ more than the equivalent F1 car and seem to sell quickly

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Thanks for the feedback. from watching the 575 market a bit it seems the 3 pedal cars do command a premium. I think Terry said there were less than 10% of the LHD cars were 3 pedal. bob
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Bob- Lots of differences between the UK market and the US market and asking prices are not selling prices. Over a quarter of UK 575Ms were three pedal, even though some have moved to Australia and the Far East, so initial demand was higher there. The rare cars are the HGTCs, with less than 200, probably way less, made worldwide. A few of those were 3 pedal, as well, and so were the Superamericas. Statistics are in the attached document, although Marcel Massinni had a few differences I have not been able to discuss with him. Very minor, though, like 2056 vs 2064 total production and an earlier and later serial number than I have, one of which is clearly wrong.

The best data point I have is 141041, a fully loaded, with nearly every option, low mileage, April 2005 three pedal that sold for $120K about two years ago. Not too many highly optioned three pedals here in the US and many had limited options.
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Bob- Lots of differences between the UK market and the US market and asking prices are not selling prices. Over a quarter of UK 575Ms were three pedal, even though some have moved to Australia and the Far East, so initial demand was higher there. The rare cars are the HGTCs, with less than 200, probably way less, made worldwide. A few of those were 3 pedal, as well, and so were the Superamericas. Statistics are in the attached document, although Marcel Massinni had a few differences I have not been able to discuss with him. Very minor, though, like 2056 vs 2064 total production and an earlier and later serial number than I have, one of which is clearly wrong.

The best data point I have is 141041, a fully loaded, with nearly every option, low mileage, April 2005 three pedal that sold for $120K about two years ago. Not too many highly optioned three pedals here in the US and many had limited options.
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I have not managed to get a number of HGTC built from the my dealer ferrari, lot of time ago I read on web 242 numbers but I don't remember where ... me crazy !
Last week I read on a french forum that was built about 100 of HGTC ... will be attendible?
Probably real number is another thing.
I hope to found early exactly number ....
Probably 3 pedals now are more interested people, but if I had found two HGTC, F1 & manual, I would choice F1, very nice to drive, and now I can tell with experience ...

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Fabio- I have no reliable numbers at all on how many HGTC 575Ms were built, so the less than 200 number is just an educated guess. At one point I thought there were less than 100, but am not so sure now. Ferrari is probably the only one that knows.

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Set up a baseline for price comparison. In Naples, Fl. 575 offered by Naples Motorsports $99,000 There were several at this price. A rosso scuderia on east cost, Prestege Motors about $124,000.

A really well sorted specimen figure $105,000. With this in mind, a three pedal @10% more= $114,000 to 125,000 offset by fewer options.

This is a keeper, rare, if service history reasonably current go for it and join the few lucky owners. I am in Naples so if you should acquire, I want a ride.

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Don, thanks for the input. Values on 575's seem all over the map. I agree the 3 pedal car is worth 5-10% more if it has service records. The only issue I see most have little or no options. Hope to see you at Naples Motorsports C and C in November. bikerbob

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one view would be that the 3 pedal car transmissions are bullet proof, something many enthusiasts grew up with, while the F1 transmissions have gone through a lot of refinement since they have been introduced, comparatively speaking, making the early versions rather crude when compared to what is being shipped today...making the 3 pedal cars more compliant and something that is no longer available adds to their attractiveness although when shipped they were a no cost base transmission
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I missed out on a beautiful blue 3 pedal car earlier last year at a great price here in Toronto, and was kicking myself for it. Even though I ended up getting a 2 pedal 575M though, I'm still very very happy with my purchase
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575 3 pedal vs F1 value wise

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In the UK the 3 pedal 575s command a 10-20% premium.
Hello,
is an old thread but in the other chat there is on fire on this discussion ...
Now probably premium is around +80-100% in comparison to a standard F1 575, it is less for FHP or HGTC optioned.

The question arises, Justified?
For me no ... But is only my taste ...

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I would agree with you Fabio,
Though I always wanted to have a 3 pedal metal gated Ferrari, the difference in current pricing and the fact that the F1 actually offers better performance than the 3 pedal do not justify the premium in my opinion.
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Especially considering 550's are almost the same car and they're all manual trans and plenty available on the global market for reasonable prices.
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