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599 F1 or manual gearchange ?

That question maybe asked before on another thread. However I try again. For me, the 599 was always a bit of a "whale" compared to it's predecessors 550/575. However, to me that feeling evaporates a little when looking at a Tour de France blue model as this colour (like black too) shows the lines of the car in a somehow finer, smoother way.
Now there is one such car on offer, a 2008 model with only 4'kilometers, Swiss car, interior leather blue medio, ceramic Brakes, Recaro seats, rear parc sensors, 20' monolithic rims, lether Roof, leather upholstered rear shelf, and....manual gearchange. Price was for some month 159' Swiss now suddenly lowered to 135' Swiss (110' Euros).
Whats your General opinion ? Pro + cons ? Thanks !

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Buy it!

The F1 box on the Fiorano is great but a manual is cool and different.

If you really want another V12, buy it. If not, get another Scud. You have a great V12 already. Here's another suggestion; sell the Daytona and buy the Fiorano and a Dino.

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Hi 212,
you is in turmoil, i like it !!
about 599, positive items:
- The performance gap with 550/575 is so big that in an enjoy garage deserves an place.
- No cam belts to change !!
- Probably is the better GT in circulation (before the F12) and the driving pleasure that he induce is near the top.
- The price is become interesting
- About the manual gear change ..... much rare in 599, then you can have an old style in a modern GT ....
Negative items:
- I think like you about 599 .... a bit of a "whale" compared to it's predecessors 550/575, design heavy. (strong item)
- I think 599 never will develope big quotation in future, due to too numbers of cars built .... (Ferrari politic of last years ...)
My personal thinking ....
Why I not changed 550 per 599? .... heavy design ....
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Buy it!

The F1 box on the Fiorano is great but a manual is cool and different.

If you really want another V12, buy it. If not, get another Scud. You have a great V12 already. Here's another suggestion; sell the Daytona and buy the Fiorano and a Dino.
My dear friend: What in the world makes you suggesting me to sell "D" for a Fiorano? (Except for economical reasons, which may occur potentially everyday of course) .
I assume you had too many "Negronis" already
Anyway I respect your suggestion to the point of getting a Fiorano OR a Scud OR a Dino as a addition to "D" and "F" as all those suggestions are great F- cars

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Grazie Fabio. As always a "speaking" picture comparison. Like the "slimness" of the 550.....,even though its an old car by comparison. Thanks for your in- depth analysis.

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Do you really want two heavy grand tourers?

Ok, I shouldn't say anything as I in fact own two heavy grand tourers but I will definitely not get a third and GTs lately have the tendency that you get stuck with them.

You loved your Scud, you loved your F40, you love my Dino. In your case and knowing you a bit I would go for another agile hard core sports car, not another GT.

But if you have the craving for it, what more can I add. But get ready for long term commitment. I have accepted the fact that I'm stuck with my 612 coz at these prices I'm not selling a ruler specced fabulous GT. The Scaglietti stays to take turns with the Corniche to transport me on the long hauls when the highest level of comfort is needed.

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212- Owners of three pedal 599s love them and the only badmouthing comes from internet experts who have never driven one. Sounds like a great deal on a really nice car. Completely different car from a Daytona with a whole lot more power and modern interior. Go for it.

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212 - you know that I am biased having just bought a 599. The difference in performance and modern-ness makes such a difference compared to a 550/575.

The car has 2 personailities - one calm and comfortable and a great GT car for travelling long distances (e.g. Istanbul) the other when you try hard is very exciting.

I would recommend the HGTE kit that can be retrofitted to the 2008 car (a garge near me has 2 full kits that they got cheap from a main dealer). It transforms the car.

I would think that a manual car would be great fun and rare - I looked at the UK 599 market for quiet a while and never saw a manual car offered.

Just my opinion but the 'whale' thing of the 599 is over stated particularly when you drive one. Like a lot of cars, it shrinks around you. One man's 'whale' is another man's 'road presence'

But I do remember in Scotland you drove Boxer's scud and enjoyed the 'hammer man' again. Then again the 599 does have the correct number of cylinders for your garage.
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Need I say more!
We don't have the choice of the manual in the UK as none were sold as far as I know, so I can't comment on that. I did not think I would like the F1 box, but its amazing.
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212- Owners of three pedal 599s love them and the only badmouthing comes from internet experts who have never driven one. Sounds like a great deal on a really nice car. Completely different car from a Daytona with a whole lot more power and modern interior. Go for it.
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You may know that I love the gated six to an obsession. I studied the threads on several boards on the 599 six speed. What is odd is that it seems that many who profess love for this white whale don't seem to own them very long. I've never driven one but I have made a study of them on the internet. I think you've come across the same threads.

Personally I think a 599 six speed is the true last of a kind and worthy of keeping at least due to its rarity.


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Suggest you drive the manual 599 and a Scuderia back to back. Only then will you know which is the "right" choice.
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Do you really want two heavy grand tourers?

Ok, I shouldn't say anything as I in fact own two heavy grand tourers but I will definitely not get a third and GTs lately have the tendency that you get stuck with them.

You loved your Scud, you loved your F40, you love my Dino. In your case and knowing you a bit I would go for another agile hard core sports car, not another GT.

But if you have the craving for it, what more can I add.But get ready for long term commitment. I have accepted the fact that I'm stuck with my 612 coz at these prices I'm not selling a ruler specced fabulous GT. The Scaglietti stays to take turns with the Corniche to transport me on the long hauls when the highest level of comfort is needed.
ah, now that's a different argumentation from my friend which I fully understand.

The Scud is first choice for agil, mechanical modern 8 cylinder outlay, the Dino is the best choice for agility and "curvy" fun (both in style and road behavior) in the classic sector, while the F40 is another great collector car.
Of the 3, only 2 with be a choice to be driven really long and under "stressful street conditions from Sicily to Albania, norway or whatever, the Dino and the Scud. Dino prices seem a little "stiff" for the moment (and may get still higher), Scud prices are getting better by the day, as do 599. Besides, I'm very happy you decided to keep your great Scaglietti !

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Suggest you drive the manual 599 and a Scuderia back to back. Only then will you know which is the "right" choice.
Have driven both and the Scud is way more agile, the 599 was a F1 gearboxed, no HGTE package. Still tend to the Scud but thought came up because of the offer (colour, interior, 4'k and gerabox)

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212- Owners of three pedal 599s love them and the only badmouthing comes from internet experts who have never driven one. Sounds like a great deal on a really nice car. Completely different car from a Daytona with a whole lot more power and modern interior. Go for it.
Of course, Terry, uncomparable to a Daytona, for sure.

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Need I say more!
We don't have the choice of the manual in the UK as none were sold as far as I know, so I can't comment on that. I did not think I would like the F1 box, but its amazing.
What a picture ! Congrats again. Well done

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There isa manual 599 in the UK, it was for sale about 6 months ago. if I remember correctly.

I have it on good authority that the manuals in the 599 were problematic, eating clutches for lunch. Can't remember the exact reason but I can find out.


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There isa manual 599 in the UK, it was for sale about 6 months ago. if I remember correctly.

I have it on good authority that the manuals in the 599 were problematic, eating clutches for lunch. Can't remember the exact reason but I can find out.


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Onno- Have not heard that at all and there are so few of them I doubt any statistically significant results exist. Same very tough clutch as the F1, so hard to believe there would be a wear problem.

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212- Owners of three pedal 599s love them and the only badmouthing comes from internet experts who have never driven one. Sounds like a great deal on a really nice car. Completely different car from a Daytona with a whole lot more power and modern interior. Go for it.


I suppose I could be considered an internet expert but I have driven them and regularly service one and I don't care for it. I think the entire development process was focused on the F1 car and to me the manual trans in it is a mismatch.

Far prefer the 550 and 575.
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Onno- Have not heard that at all and there are so few of them I doubt any statistically significant results exist. Same very tough clutch as the F1, so hard to believe there would be a wear problem.


If there is it would be because of the poor E-throttle response in the 599 stick shift car. That alone makes me crazy but evidently many just don't notice.
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