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Warhorse...but which one?

Yes I know, we had it already..... but still:

1. A 12 cylinder warhorse:

550 Maranello, year 2000, 60'000 km's, full Service, belts, new tires, uninterupted Service book, Swiss first owner car, slight accident in the back, correctly repainted, pulls great. Price SFR 55'k (45 Euros)

Would expect more following costs over the next 3 years than:

575 Maranello, mid year 2004 (yes Terry, with the updates), 25'000km's, full Service, belts, new tires, uninterupted Service book, swiss first owner car, pulls great, Price SFR 79' (64'k Euro)

None of the 2 has any Specials: no Fiorano package, no Daytona seats or else.

Which would you choose and why ?!

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Do you prefer 6spd or F1? That could be the deciding factor.

If the tranny isn't really an issue, and if you're looking for a more modern experience and fewer maintenance headaches, then it's the 575. Some will disagree, but I look at the 575 as the new, improved version of the 550.

If you want a more classic, analog experience, and the prospect of additional maintenance doesn't put you off, then it's the 550. Too, many of the long term maintenance issues are now well known for the 550, so you can have a fair idea what you're facing when you buy one, simply by knowing what's already been done.

I personally don't care for the drive by wire throttle setup of the 575, and prefer my right foot to be firmly connected to the butterflies of the throttles in the 550. Some, like Taz, adapt to DBW better than others, but I'm not one of them.

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I was faced with a similar choice, same color cars, 550 had more options than the 575

I chose the 550 and never looked back. The manual transmission was probably the deciding factor and I preferred the 550 interior layout. Cost was not a factor in my decision process.

I had just come from ten years ownership of a 355F1 so I was intimately familiar with the F1 transmission.

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212- Like John said, the 575M is likely to be more reliable and require fewer fixes or updates than the 550. It is also quite a bit more powerful. In the five years I have had mine the only repairs, not maintenance, have been to fix the mounts on the A/C panel and replace the gas cap because the seal came loose.

To tell you the truth, I cannot tell the difference between the digital throttle and manual throttles I have had in the past. You push on the pedal and revs rise and she goes faster. Feels perfectly natural to me and has been fitted to all Ferraris from the 360 on.

Late model 575Ms with updated shock ECUs and the steering position sensor handle fine without FHP.

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If you want F1 get a 575.

If you want a stick shift get a 550.


The electronic throttles as implemented in the 575 and 599 work well with F1. Not so much with a stick shift.


The throttles work perfectly in all the other cars but every 575 or 599 stick shift I have driven they are just not timed well to driver input and is very annoying when trying to drive like you actually know how.
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Thank you all for your Kind input. Terry you mentioned the no necessity of the FHP on the 575 for newer Ecu cars. I assume you mean the 2004 or after production as discussed before several times?!

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Both sound like a whole lot of Ferrari for the money! What colour combinations to they have? Is the 575 a manual or F1 transmission? Of the two, I would go for manual one with cuoio interior and fitted luggage...

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Both sound like a whole lot of Ferrari for the money! What colour combinations to they have? Is the 575 a manual or F1 transmission? Of the two, I would go for manual one with cuoio interior and fitted luggage...
David, 550 is in one of my favorite colous, pozzi blue and dark Blue, 575 is red and beige, both without luggage. No Deal is as Good as yours!!

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212- Affirmative, after Assembly Number 52556 in Nov 03, they handle fine without FHP.

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Hands down I'd vote for the 550 if it wasn't for the accident. That alone would tip the scales for me unless I could determine it truly was "minor" and completely repaired.

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Hands down I'd vote for the 550 if it wasn't for the accident. That alone would tip the scales for me unless I could determine it truly was "minor" and completely repaired.
Very strong point David ! Thanks.

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212 - your signature says you had a 550 before. Why did you sell that? Not sure it's good to go back.
The word warhorse in the title implies a car you can use without too much looking after, which would suggest the 575. This with the F1 box, I think would also give you the most contrast in driving experience to your other 12s.

Still cannot convince you on a 599?
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Hi 212,

I had a red 550 (dated 1998) from 2007 until 2013, I changed only for a 575 with HGTC package.
I would never have changed for an 575 normal because I already had the 550...
I think for the first approach to a maranello's, my personally opinion is that the discrimination is the F1 or manual transmission ...
I think there are too many 599 .....

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212 - your signature says you had a 550 before. Why did you sell that? Not sure it's good to go back.
The word warhorse in the title implies a car you can use without too much looking after, which would suggest the 575. This with the F1 box, I think would also give you the most contrast in driving experience to your other 12s.

Still cannot convince you on a 599?
Yes, the 550 was my first Ferrari ever, ordered new and received in '99. Liked it and still sold it to eagerly learn more about other models after that experience was a very nice one (and to get around depreciation). Had it for a little more than 1 year. When I sold it they were still in high demand. Yes you are right, "warhorse" implies "reckless use" (which in my case means only cleaning once per week).
No seriously, 550 Prices have come down to a level here in Switzerland were they are lower than those of a new VW Golf with leather (or else). However I strongly believe too (and know from your trusted resources here on FL) that the 575 would be the better Option for reliability, more expensive but probably way cheaper in the sense of replacing older, faulty parts. Also, as only a 2004 or younger 575 would be accepted, they are by average 5 years younger than any 550. I like the interior better on the 550 but the possible troubles or weaknesses compared to the 575's are probably not appealing.

The 599 ? It would be a great car....but it's such a big car..sadly so.
I placed my wifes G-Modell 911 Porsche Carrea 3.2 1989 next to the Daytona. They are of the EXACT same length, would you believe that. Then I put the Daytona next to my neighbors 599. You feel like the Daytona to be a kids car. Same for me when driving the 550/575 compared to the 599: The Maranellos to me feel much more "cosy" or "nestling the driver".

Just my 2 cents.

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Hi 212,

I had a red 550 (dated 1998) from 2007 until 2013, I changed only for a 575 with HGTC package.
I would never have changed for an 575 normal because I already had the 550...
I think for the first approach to a maranello's, my personally opinion is that the discrimination is the F1 or manual transmission ...
I think there are too many 599 .....
Yes, agree, however GTC 575's are more expensive here than 2007 full optioned (incl. ceramic brakes) 599's. I'm sure the 599 are way better....however the Maranello GTC is much rarer and the Maranello shape more in demand !

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212- 599s, with their 2750 mm wheelbase vs 2500 mm for the Maranellos, are much bigger, even if weight is about the same because of the aluminum chassis.

I actually prefer the 575M interior, especially the steering wheel. Not fond of gauges scattered in the middle of the dash, either.
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212- 599s, with their 2750 mm wheelbase vs 2500 mm for the Maranellos, are much bigger, even if weight is about the same because of the aluminum chassis.

I actually prefer the 575M interior, especially the steering wheel. Not fond of gauges scattered in the middle of the dash, either.
Terry,
I'm completly agree with you .....

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