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post #1 of 16 Old 06-16-2013, 12:48 AM Thread Starter
 
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599 radiator has a leak, any ideas?

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My 599 has a hole in its radiator, diagnosed last night, so can't drive till sorted. Is it a new radiator only, or can I repair it? If its a new one, how much are they, and can I get one other than paying Ferrari prices? Any ideas how much the job costs, it looks like you can get to it from under the car, and essentially few bolts, loosen some tubes, and fit, or am I being daft? Remember I'm in the UK, so costs will be different to the US
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Sid, on our side of the pond, most conventional radiator shops won't attempt an aluminum radiator repair. At least the ones here in bubbaland (Houston TX) won't.

You may have better luck in the UK with the higher level of motorsport influenced services.

Hopefully Boxer or another UK owner can recommend someone for you. I don't think many of us DIY'ers have wrenched on the 599's yet.

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Thanks for that. I know, I think really it's a new one, there's two prices I can find, 1000 and 1500 so far, I'm guessing Ferrari themselves will be twice that!
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Steve, either of those prices would be a bargain. Ricambi, who are our major Ferrari parts supplier on this side want around $3850 (2450 GBP) for a new radiator.

Are you able to tell if the leak is from a rock, or if it's from something else?

Just a word to the wise to have your coolant system checked over at least annually, and have the coolant changed perhaps every other year. One of our local owners of an earlier model V12 car recently had to replace all the liners in his engine due to cooling system problems, which might have been avoidable, had previous owners of the car maintained the system better.

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High mileage, low compression, and missing on a few cylinders.....just like my cars.

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Thanks. Does sound reasonable thinking about those prices

The car does get serviced at a Ferrari dealer, bought it in September and the said it was fully serviced and had 24000 on it, now has 25130 on it, so I will be enquiring whether this is a developed problem or sudden failure!
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Check out, Ron Davis Racing Products, Best rad's in the US.
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You could ask these guys for a quote. I have not had need to use them for a very long time but they were good last time I used them, but it wasn't for a Ferrari.

AARON RADIATOR – UK CAR RADIATOR WAREHOUSE – new and reconditioned

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Okay.... So car is now being reassembled, radiator internally had 'crumbled' or something, the tech talked about the 'baffles'? Anyhoo, they also found the front right suspension coil had broken at the bottom, and a track rod end boot had split and had to be replaced, so in total, a bill of around 5500, which is around $8000.

I have to say, hats off to the warranty company, who were absolutely first class. Authorised repairs immediately, no quibbling around. They of course fully checked it wasn't a corrosion or user damage, which it wasn't, and I should have the car back tomorrow all being well.

Anyone buying a 599, no matter how much you imagine a repair will be manageable, this shows, get a warranty and maintain it, what I thought was a simple swap out, radiator out, radiator in, involved a radiator that cost as much as the warranty, and a 7.5 hour labour cost according to ferraris workshop guidelines, that's at 200 per hour! The extra work found only increases the need to have these cars protected. I had bought the car at 24000 miles in October, and covered only 1155 miles (90 of which they did delivering her to me) in her over the winter, and it was a Ferrari approved car with service at 23700, so there was no niggling thoughts of work being needed like there might be if I had bought it outside the network, or a long way after the last service.

Fantastic car........ But not for the faint-hearted come service time!
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Steve, thanks for coming back and reporting what the resolution was. Sounds like Ferrari service prices aren't getting any more reasonable even with the later "more reliable" cars!

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...Sounds like Ferrari service prices aren't getting any more reasonable even with the later "more reliable" cars!
Ahhh, no! Parts pricing continues to defy logic...

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Sid- I have never heard of labor charges that high per hour, even in California. That is over $300/hr.

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Just saw the actual bill, hourly rate was a bit less than I was being told, 110.10 per hour, at a 20% discounted rate (so (145 ish) plus value added tax of 20%, making total rate including tax at 174 per hour roughly

Still pretty high, but on the whole, the UK is expensive compared to the US. Look at Ralph Lauren polo shirts, $80 in the US, 110 in the UK, approx $160. That's why I don't clothes shop in the UK ever, I spend thousands every time I hit the US by bringing a virtually empty case, and filling it plus a bag or two!
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warranty

Hi Sid, can you tell me what the warranty you got cost and what the coverage was. I recently bought a 2400 mile 2008 599 and the Ferrari dealer wanted $7000.00 U.S for one year so I took my chances and am now self insured.
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Hi Sid, can you tell me what the warranty you got cost and what the coverage was. I recently bought a 2400 mile 2008 599 and the Ferrari dealer wanted $7000.00 U.S for one year so I took my chances and am now self insured.
Hi Andrew. Love Las Vegas! I try to get there as much as I can, will retire there one day!

The warranty was by a company called warranty direct, and it cost me 2150 approx for a year. It covers everything including wear and tear, unlimited number of claims, each claim has a maximum which is the value of the car! Excess is 50 per claim. Includes labour rate at the maximum level of, I think, 200 per hour.

Not sure what else to tell you, except that they were awesome, and I can't hesitate to recommend them, but of course, it's in the Uk, not sure if they are available in the US
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Hi Sid, thanks for the info I have never dealt with a warrany company outside of a dealership. I'll look into here. Yes Vegas is good times and I'd say a nice play to retire as well although I'm not that old yet.
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I need to get a job organised out there, and I'd go now. My wife is only 23, so she will get a waitress gig easily enough to sort her, but of course, for a green card, I need something more detailed!
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