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post #1 of 13 Old 04-09-2013, 07:39 AM Thread Starter
 
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Questions about 456GTA transmission


I am seriously considering buying a 456. I have questions regarding the transmissionhowever.
I have driven both a 6-speed and a GTA. The 6 speed seemed to have considerably moreperformance however the GTA was not in the world’s best state of tune when Idrove it. Others have told me thedifference is noticeable only on really hard driving. Would you agree? For around town driving that automatic would be mighty nice.
I am also concerned about the horror stories I’ve been toldabout the automatic transmission specifically that if it breaks you’re prettymuch screwed. That being said, I’ve yetto find anyone who’s actually dealt with a failure. Do they break? (I know they can, but….). Are there aftermarket solutions available?

Please advise. I knowthere’s nothing more expensive than a cheap Ferrari.

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The GTA's tranny is based on a GM turbohydramatic, but with upgraded internals. A gentleman named Adrian Turner in the UK is/was the specialist on them as he worked at Ricardo during the development. Have a look at this article for more info:

1997 Ferrari 456GTA - Motor Trend Magazine

The info on the tranny is about halfway down.

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What was your impression of the automatic overall? I've never driven one but six speed is alluring. There is a nice 1995 six speed for sale list on the global site- 13k mile ( No affiliation).

Good luck, either way welcome and good luck with your search.

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Scott- All the 95s are 6 speeds and Motronic 2.7. First USA GTAs were MY 97 and Motronic 5.2. Motronic 5.2 is OBD II compliant, at least once Ferrari got caught trying to make it proprietary and had to make it OBD II compliant.

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IMO, the GTA drives like a bus. The 6spd 2.7 cars are much sportier feeling.


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@Scott: Impressions of the GTA

I actually drove three Ferraris that particular week: a 550 a 308 QV and this 456GTA.
The 456 was being sold by a true dyed in the wool nimrod who (although a dealer in cars) knew nothing of Ferrari's. He also brought his three year old daughter along to add to the festivities. This 456 bore signs of too much detailing with not enough maintenance. I am sure you know the type.
The color...grigio...just didnt work for this particular car... too plebian. My wife said it made the car look like 'a big Toyota or something'. Black or blue for me. NOT red (haven't ever seen a red one but anyway...NO!).
That aside, the lines of the car were gorgeous, rather reminiscent of an updated 365 GTC4 really.
The interior was great...roomy, comfortable, quiet. Neither the 550 nor the 308 came close in this aspect. As a matter of fact I found the 550 to be uncomfortable...certainly not a long distance car.
Perfomance was slightly blunted by an out of tune engine but still the Ferrari character shone through. The automatc was exactly what an automatic should be...hardly noticeable. Braking was good, handling excellent, nimble without that Boxer-era tendency to fight you on turns. Stop and go traffic was effortless, good open highway cruiser (fasssssssssssssssssst!) and you can even throw her around a bit on back country roads.
So the 456GTA IS, in fact, a grand touring car. Like an automotive trophy wife really... gorgeous and even somewhat regal in public, willing to be wantonly erotic beind closed doors. A nice 456 has that dichotomy in rare state of balance. She'll comfort me after a hard days work and yet rock my ass on an otherwise quiet Sunday morning.
The only down side is that rediculous back seat. First order of business is to (tastefully) convert her to a 2 seater configuration (a'la 550). I know I know...blasphemy. That being said: I wants what I wants!
If you want a Ferrari and you want Grand Touring (as opposed to a purer 'sports car'), I think the 456 is the ticket. The search continues...
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I get it. I've never considered an automatic. All my toys are three pedal. That said, the 456 is less loved, perhaps for the back seat but it is such a beautiful car- those lines are perfect, even almost twenty years later. It is hard, however to find a one -two owner, well maintained example. There was one on eBay- original owner etc. sold for a song really. I think the prices are soft due to maintenance cost or perceived liability of the transmission, and demand. It's a lot of Ferrari for the money. But as you said, there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Ferrari.

In my case,interest is driven by the back seats- and my two small children. Sunday drives to get bagels can take only one in the 430. And as others say, the 430 is more of a slot racer than a grand turismo. Sometimes a GT is more appropriate. But then the 612 is such an upgrade. The 456 seems too close in style to my wife's Maserati QP.

Perhaps because of those lines, I think that the 456 has a chance at being an iconic Ferrari in the future, perhaps with a cult following, in a way the unloved (less loved) 365/400/412 are not.


Thanks for sharing. Check out the buyers guide here. Ferrari Buyer's Guides - Ferrari Life
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FYINThere is a nice 456 ( overpriced IMHO) in Naples. Again no affiliation.

Good luck. Keep posting and welcome to FL.

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Funny you should mention Maser QP. This Ferrari is going to directly replace our old QP3 Maser from 1985. Luxurious to a fault, most comfortable interior Ive ever been in... great high speed cruiser and handles like a sportscar. We looked at new Maser QP's and they didnt even come close... a sheep in wolf's clothing, pleasant on the eyes but...
For unadulterated SPORTS CAR I have a prisitine old 1967 Jaguar E-type. She's very demanding to drive well...requires skill and close attention to bring out her true race-bred colors.
We need a GT..no question.
And I concur..the one in Naples is frightfully overpriced. If I wait I am sure I can bring a solid '99 or later GTA home for under 45K.
We shall see...
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I actually drove three Ferraris that particular week: a 550 a 308 QV and this 456GTA.
The interior was great...roomy, comfortable, quiet. Neither the 550 nor the 308 came close in this aspect. As a matter of fact I found the 550 to be uncomfortable...certainly not a long distance car.
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Without detracting from the great interior of the 456, I have found the 550 to be a great long distance GT. I am 6 4" and the first time I drove my 550 was when I collected her in the Netherlands and drove 400 miles down to Nuremburg in one go. I got out feeling refreshed rather than tired. Despite having driven half that mileage in the pouring rain and the other half at legal speeds of 110-160 mph on quiet derestricted autobahns. The seats offer multiple electric adjustments, have very supportive (and adjustable) side bolsters and the steering wheel is adjustable for height and telescopically, so that even tall guys like me can find a comfortable seating position.

But maybe that is just me. I once spent 17 hours on the trot driving 800 miles in my previous 308 GTB (roadworks, rain and ridiculous traffic in Austria and Germany) and found her to be comfortable. For me the test is lower back pain, and I suffered neither in the 308 nor 550.
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David- Yup, first time I have ever heard anyone say a Maranello was not comfortable for long drives. We know ours are. Seats misadjusted?

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My first GT Cruiser was a Jaguar XJS. To this day the smoothest car I've ever driven. The 456 is the closest I've ever come to that. I've driven six now and I really like the M GTA. As Steve said, the transmission is transparent. It may not drive like a sports car, but I'm not going to take the wife through 1G slaloms on the way to dinner, so that's not an issue....

For those interested, there's a beautiful 456M at DC Motors in Orange County. Grigio inside and out. Drives like a dream. If the timing wasn't bad, it would be in my driveway.

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FWIW, I've been considering selling my 1998 GTA. I bought it about 2 years ago from a doctor. It was his wife's car that had passed and it sat in storage for several years. I spent over a year sorting it out. Full inspection and major maintenance, reupholstered a lot of the interior, redyed the rest. Have factory rims as well as 20's on it now. Converted interior to euro spec, dyed carpet black, and upgraded the sound system. It took a light hit to the side last year (see my post) that only required a new side mirror, door glass, and minor body work but otherwise is well sorted. I love the car but am thinking about downsizing (I have 9 exotics and 4 daily drivers).





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For those interested, there's a beautiful 456M at DC Motors in Orange County. Grigio inside and out. Drives like a dream. If the timing wasn't bad, it would be in my driveway.
Nice car - I take it that's grigio scuro inside? - looks fantastic, although I prefer my charcoal!
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