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Lowering a F599

How exactly do you lower the F599? I can't justify spending 10k on a set of Noveitec just to lower the car 10-20mm...

I thought about springs but I changed springs on my E60 M5 and that completely ruined the shocks in a year. Any ideas?

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How exactly do you lower the F599? I can't justify spending 10k on a set of Noveitec just to lower the car 10-20mm...

I thought about springs but I changed springs on my E60 M5 and that completely ruined the shocks in a year. Any ideas?

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Grab an HGTE package - they are for sale from F dealers on e-bay for under 10k.
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Z- Welcome to Ferrari Life. You can lower all modern Ferraris by lowering the upper threaded collar (10) and then doing a four wheel alignment. Maximum you should lower the car is about 15-20 mm (~0.6"-0.8") so you can still adjust the suspension to factory specs and have the shock absorbers working in their optimum range.
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Thanks for the response.

Wouldn't that not damage the shocks since the seating position is 200mm lower than factory setting?
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20 mm, not 200 mm, which is 7.87". You might be a-dragging at 200 mm. 0.787" will be ok.

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Tazandjan - Thanks for correcting me.

Has anyone tried lowering the car with the method above for over two years and experienced no suspension problems? My concern is if Ferrari dealership will void warranty on the car for a faulty suspension due the lowering of the car.

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The Ferrari dealer will lower the car for you if you ask. Dozens of 599s have been lowered that way, including the factory HGTEs, with no ill affects.

Do you have a 599?

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Hi Tazandjan

Thanks for your response. No I don't own a 599 but am looking for one in the used car market. Once I purchase one I intend to lower the car and change out the wheels. The SP Engineering 599 is the style I am going after.

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Hi Z , I am currently looking at a 599 which had the HGTE pack dealer fitted in late 09 and it has been lowered as Terry says. It was fully warranted and after 3 or so years and about 6000 miles runs and handles perfectly.

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Z- Welcome to Ferrari Life. You can lower all modern Ferraris by lowering the upper threaded collar (10) and then doing a four wheel alignment. Maximum you should lower the car is about 15-20 mm (~0.6"-0.8") so you can still adjust the suspension to factory specs and have the shock absorbers working in their optimum range.
Hi Taz, I do not post very much, but I just wanted to comment how helpful and educational your posts are. Since being a newbie and owning my first Ferrari, I have learned a great deal on this forum,,thank you kind sir!!

Also, does this factory lowering option exist with a 2007 F430 Spider as well?

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Mark- We all try to help. Yes, all the late model Ferraris have threaded collars on the shock absorbers, which makes lowering simple for good shops. Afterwards, a good four wheel alignment is required and the practical lowering limit, without changing springs, is 15-20 mm or ~0.6"-0.8". That is actually quite a bit of lowering.

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Awesome Taz, thank you! That is one of the first things I noticed when I took delivery is that this car should be lowered. I will have a my Fcar tech look into this.

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I don't understand why you would want to mod a car that you haven't owned/ driven in stock form first. What am I missing ?
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Shiv- They are just trying to understand the cars before getting one. Nothing wrong with that.

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Hi Terry, have you ever adjusted the ride height on your 575M?

After last weeks trackday and with next weeks trip to the Nurburgring in mind, I've decided to lower mine 15mm all round. Usually I keep her wound up to the max to cope with the ever increasing numbers of speed bumps here, plus don't really push it on public roads anyway. However it will be interesting to see how this effects the ride quality on the 1800 mile plus round trip and if there is a discernible difference on the track.

I'll try to remember to take a photo or two of the lowering process next week.

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Michael- I have the ride height adjusted every time I have a four wheel alignment, which is every time I change tires. You can easily lower your 575M to FHP specifications, which are approximately 10 mm lower in front and 7 mm lower in the rear. If you want to lower the front 15 mm, you might try and keep that racing set-up rake and lower the rear 12 mm instead of 15 mm.

Doubt if you will notice any change in ride, unless you drag on something.

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Good advice Terry I will do that. I must admit I am assuming that when raising it which was also when I did the brakes and tyres a few years ago, it was done evenly all round to maintain the FHP stance.

When you say you have you ride height adjusted every time you change tyres; is that just to re calibrate it to FHP spec in case there has been some movement or another reason?

So ride quality should not be effected which is good, but do you think there might be any discernible improvement dynamically? A 15mm drop is a lot on a car weighing this much.

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Michael- A good four wheel/suspension alignment juggles ride height and camber to get everything perfect. Toe does not affect ride height much, but also needs to be set. Unfortunately, our 575M's camber is adjusted with eccentrics instead of shims like the V8s and later V12s, starting with the 612. Those eccentrics tend to get out of adjustment more easily than the shim adjusted ssuspension does. Easier to use, but not as fixed. As components wear, suspension settings and ride height will change, so I just have it all adjusted at tire or wheel changes. So far twice in the 5 years I have owned her. She was delivered to me out of adjustment and the front tires wore very rapidly. Probably got out of alignment from being strapped down on the delivery truck.

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Finally, I can lowering my car height without paying big bucks
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Yup.

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