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612 Buyers Guide

Good buyers guide on the 612 in this months Forza:

Forza :: The Every-day Exotic : 612 Scaglietti Buyer's Guide
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Boxer- Curious. Did you learn anything from it or did you already know most of what was in there?

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Boxer- Curious. Did you learn anything from it or did you already know most of what was in there?
I have it sitting on my night stand - can't bring myself to look at it.
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Where do they get their price data? Always seems so low and not in touch with what is really out there.

I am keeping my eye on this market......612 as a DD in STL, Doug?

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Looks like there are a few guides we need to add to our portfolio, this and the F430 come to mind.
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Andrew- I still need to fix the Maranello one, too.

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Boxer- Curious. Did you learn anything from it or did you already know most of what was in there?
I had not heard about the issue with the digital dash displays.

Comments on the longevity of the clutch were also quite insightful.
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Boxer- Good, there was some useful info there. Funny they never mentioned the engine was nearly identical to the 575M engine, including many common parts. No mention of the 599 gearbox case and dual plate clutch for the Sessanta and OTO, either.

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Boxer- Good, there was some useful info there. Funny they never mentioned the engine was nearly identical to the 575M engine, including many common parts. No mention of the 599 gearbox case and dual plate clutch for the Sessanta and OTO, either.
The Sessanta and OTO were really just glossed over.
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Boxer- I think the author really did not know much about either of them.

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Boxer- I think the author really did not know much about either of them.
Did Mike Sheehan write the fully article or just the market part?
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Boxer- Looks like he wrote just about the whole thing. Nothing from Brian Crall on maintenence like there was on the 575M.

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Boxer- Looks like he wrote just about the whole thing. Nothing from Brian Crall on maintenence like there was on the 575M.
Lets suggest that Andrew do a more detailed version for FL.
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In the past month I have gone from feeling ambivalent about the 612 to really really liking this car. I can't get enough of it. Would love to learn more especially about the sessanta and the oto cars.

Also, curious to know how you guys would lean if given the choice between a 575 SA and a 612 sessanta or OTO? Similarly priced
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In the past month I have gone from feeling ambivalent about the 612 to really really liking this car. I can't get enough of it. Would love to learn more especially about the sessanta and the oto cars.

Also, curious to know how you guys would lean if given the choice between a 575 SA and a 612 sessanta or OTO? Similarly priced
Choice would really come down to, do you want the open air motoring option, and do you need 4 seats.
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In the past month I have gone from feeling ambivalent about the 612 to really really liking this car. I can't get enough of it. Would love to learn more especially about the sessanta and the oto cars.

Also, curious to know how you guys would lean if given the choice between a 575 SA and a 612 sessanta or OTO? Similarly priced
I think you must try them. Open motoring may compensate for less modern feel and performance?

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The wife drove a QP for several years so she would probably love the 612. She only puts 8k miles a year on her cars so I'm not too concerned with that. What worries me is having her drive such a big car. For me the SA would be a special occasion long term car. A bit put off by the roof issues though
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Ernie- The Superamerica has a hot-rodded version of the same engine that went into the 612, so performance is very similar and both are rated at 540 hp. They even weigh about the same. The 612 came before the Superamerica. Early 612s and the Superamerica both come with the updated F1A system. The Sessanta and the OTO came with the F1 Superfast system, the OTOs have a new Type F133H engine, about which I know virtually nothing, and both have the earlier mentioned 599 gearbox case and dual plate clutch. Transparent roof and manettino are other changes.

As mentioned, performance is roughly the same for the 612 and Superamerica because the aluminum chassis on the 612 kept weight down, even though the 612 is considerably larger with a 2950 mm wheelbase vs 2500 mm for the SA.

Interior on the 612 is much more modern and it comes with a modern, lithium battery powered remote for the alarm system. The SA has the old three fob, two key system.

Reliability on both has been excellent, and problems with the SA top are largely related to two relatively easily replaced hydraulic struts, which need replacing every 3-5 years.

The Superamerica will hold value much better than a 612 Sessanta or OTO, both of which are still depreciating relatively rapidly. If you decide on an SA, somewhere around 30-40% had the HGTC package, which is worth having for the CCM brakes and better handling package. Especially since HGTC does not add anywhere near the $25K option price to current selling prices.

Two seats or four? Modern interior or retro? Depreciation? Your call.

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I'm torn. Lets see where this goes.
What about the roof issue on the SA that costs 27-30k? What is the failure rate on these roofs? I understand that the struts breaking doesnt mean that the roof needs to be replaced. What caused the roof material to crack?

I hope I'm not hijacking the thread. If so I apologize
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Ernie- There is data on the tops in the forum so suggest you do a search. Like I said, most of the problems seem related to those two struts that are similar, but shorter, to the ones that hold up the hood/bonnet. They work very hard helping take the load off the top motor.

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