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post #1 of 22 Old 11-02-2012, 01:15 AM Thread Starter
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Hello folks, and a belated thank-you for all of the advice, tips and ideas you have given me in the past six months or so since I discovered this forum.

I have always been interested in cars (driving and engineering) and never too concerned about marques... However, I bought a 430 Scuderia in May and I couldn't be happier. The car is simply amazing. I'm now a total convert.

Many thanks to all of you kind people who share valuable information and experience on these magnificent machines and I hope to be able to add my (limited) knowledge to the forum.

Julian.
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Very welcome to FerrariLife Julian and congrats with your beauty which the best ever made Ferrari Enjoy the beast
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Julian- Welcome and that is a very nice Scuderia.

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Welcome to FLife. Great to have another Scuderia owner here.
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Julian- Welcome and that is a very nice Scuderia.
+1. Welcome to F Life Julian.

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Bonjour and welcome Julian. Congrats to the Scud. Phantastic car. From which part in france do you come ?

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Bienvenu! Lovely Scud.


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Many thanks for the kind welcome. It's my first foray onto a forum and there's a really nice atmosphere here... unlike some others.
212, I'm down in the south west of France, not too far from Toulouse. Great driving roads to be found and a nice climate. The local F-dealer in Toulouse is quite good too.

I drive quite a lot and have always had a fun second car alongside the diesel 'taxi'. Over the years I've had several Porsches, Granturismo S, etc. And this year I noticed that the F430 prices had dropped. However, when searching for the right F430 I found the seat was a bit too high eyeline was right at the top of the windscreen and decided to try a Scuderia. What a difference! Not only is the driving position perfect, the additional power and the way it can deliver it was a eureka-kind of moment. Hooked on the spot.

Now I'm seriously tempted to replace the A7 diesel with a 612 Scaglietti and complete the garage. The prices are seriously tempting.
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Lovely car, the 612.


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Great choice of the Scud! Congrats!
You would love the 612, too if you need a 4-seater F car...great value for the car at the moment.

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Thanks Gus and Onno.

I agree the value to be had at the moment with the 612 is very, very tempting.
Like many others I'm looking at the Italian market for some very competitively priced cars... some nice early examples are being offered for 60k eu with reasonable mileage too.

I have heard most of the scare tales about dealing with the Italian market, but I also believe in the old saying 'buyer beware' so believe a lot of personal effort would negate many of the potential pitfalls. I have a local specialist dealer (in France) who has agreed to negotiate and purchase on my behalf should I/we find the right car.

Looking for the 'right' car has thrown up one interesting topic! That's the question of mileage vs age as the main depreciating factor. There are a couple of 2008 OTOs for sale with 80k+ KMs (50k+ miles) one in particular that has my perfect spec available for early 70k eu.

Now, much as I'd like to admit an early 2004-5 model would be very nice... I can't help but be tempted by the newer gearbox, clutch, Bose system, etc. All would be very nice to have in a daily driver. I haven't driven an OTO, but I found the gear change on a 2005 a little slow (compared to the Scud everything feels a little slow!).

Also, I'm a driver not a collector and will be looking at covering about 20-25,000km a year with the 612. I might be wrong (often am) but it seems to me that if a car has been well looked after and maintained correctly, then a four-year-old, 20,000km-per-year car is better sorted than an eight-year-old that's only covered 20,000km in total.

My dealer thinks I'm mad by the way. He thinks a high-mileage example will be next to impossible to sell on should I want to. The 80km OTO is about 50k eu cheaper than a similar version with 35,000kms.

Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Is there even a right answer to be had?

And finally, should I have posted this in the Modern v12 section...?

Many thanks.

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Welcome and congrats on your new toy. If you need any anything for your car . Please feel free to email me.
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I might be wrong (often am) but it seems to me that if a car has been well looked after and maintained correctly, then a four-year-old, 20,000km-per-year car is better sorted than an eight-year-old that's only covered 20,000km in total.
If both cars have been properly maintained, then I disagree. Mechanically cars don't suffer if the car is properly cared for - only if they are left standing for a long time. My 550 was 7 years old and had 23,000km when I bought it. It has been a joy to own her and she showed no faults in the first 40,000km I drove. Since then she has had 2 issues, but that is no problem for me out of a total of 12 years.

Also - don't forget that these modern Ferraris have more and more systems that can go wrong. There are plenty of stories of brand new cars that had an issue, so a new(er) car is no guarantee. So far my 458 has been perfect, though.

In summary, I would say that if the car is well cared-for and she has driven a reasonable amount of miles each year (say 2,000 or more) then the risk should be minimal.


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Onno- You are correct on how the car will behave, but the market still deducts a large amount for a car with high mileage compared to most cars of that type. Impossible to sell? Not at all, as long as the price is right, but many dealers may not be willing to take on a high mileage car as a trade. If they do, it will likely be auctioned, so trade value may be too low to consider for the owner.

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Bonsoir Julian, and welcome to F life! Very nice Scud by the way!
I see you will probably re-live the great feeling of picking up your new Ferrari at the dealer....:-)
Good luck on your search for the 612 and enjoy this site, great bunch of people here...

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Julian,

Welcome and congrats on the Scud, great car
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Onno- You are correct on how the car will behave, but the market still deducts a large amount for a car with high mileage compared to most cars of that type.
Absolutely, but the statement was "a newer car will be better sorted". On this I disagree. But it might be a better buy and certainly will be an easier sell later on.


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Benvenuto Julian e fantastica Ferrari !

About the Italian market, well, it is no worse than other markets.

The only half rip-off I had in buying vintage Alfas was with an American and I avoided a couple of others from Dutch sellers, so... Of course you have to keep your eyes open and check everything. Northern Italy is a little better than Southern Italy, but again, the most (in)famous seller of vintage rip-offs is based in Lombardy.

It is true that the culture to have everything related to a car well documented is rarer than in other Countries, but it is not unknown. My 550 story was well documented and I had the opportunity to check everything I wanted. If you look hard enough, you will find the same level of details you can find in Germany or UK.

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the most (in)famous seller of vintage rip-offs is based in Lombardy.

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Would this sellers name begin with "L"?
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Would this sellers name begin with "L"?
Yes Boxer, and ends in "o".

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