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post #1 of 26 Old 03-07-2014, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
 
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What is the North America SN #1 for 360 Spider

Just curious if anyone here can definitively tell me what the lowest serial number is for a North American 360 Spider?
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Only Ferrari can tell you. Except in rare circumstances do they make that public.


Out of curiosity, why?


It isn't likely that it will ever make any difference in value.
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Well, I may just have USA SN#1. Have no plans to sell it but thought it would be cool to know more about the car. Don't think its likely its overall SN#1, but I do think there's a 95% or greater chance its the lowest USA car.

In late 2008 I was getting out of the Navy in southern CA and went to an auction looking for a late 60's convertible American muscle car but instead there was this whole procession of 360s. I guess a lot of people got caught overextended. One spider came up that was apparently odd ball enough that nobody bid on it. When it got to the point where I was like I don't give a crap I bid and got it. I knew nothing about 360's at the time, and still very little, so I couldn't tell something seemed amiss with the VIN, meaning it's badged as a 2000 US market car and there shouldn't be any US market cars until 2001. From what I can gather, since its been confirmed by the local dealership as a valid 2000 USA-spec Spider F1 VIN its likely the first USA car.

A buddy speculates that Ferrari made one USA spec car in 2000 for the car show circuit before regular production started so they didn't have to apply for special exemptions to import a non-USA spec car. I've tried Google without luck. Anybody know where I might be able to find pics of the 360 Spider that Ferrari used to introduce the model in 2000?

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Give us the entire 17 digit VIN and we can tell a few things from that.
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I've already had the VIN decoded by the local dealership. its a 2000 NA/USA 360 Spider F1 with the correct check digit. I'll get the actual number posted as soon as I find the reg card! She doesn't get used when there's salt on the rd...

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Look through the windshield on the steering wheel boss.

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I cannot tell you definitively the lowest serial number is for a North American 360 Spider but I can tell you that the lowest US-spec car I know of is ZFFYT53A0Y0122379. I don't know for sure that car was ever in the US though as it is or was in Argentina at one time. ZFFYT53A210122583 is the earliest car I know of definitely in the US.

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Thanks Jonathan! I found the registration card last night. The VIN is ZFFYT53A3Y0122392. It really is a 2000, NA, USA 360 Spider F1.

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Interesting, I just found the VIN decoder on another page of this site. The 53A0Y car is NA spec but it apparently is not a "USA" car as the check digit is a 0. According to the VIN decoder page, to be a USA car the check digit has to be a 1-9 or X (for 10 or 0). For all markets other than the USA its a 0. So maybe mine is the first "USA" car after all?? I'd really appreciate hearing any other thoughts beyond it being the car show car of why this "USA" car was manufactured and imported a year before actual production and importation started. Thanks!

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Interesting, I just found the VIN decoder on another page of this site. The 53A0Y car is NA spec but it apparently is not a "USA" car as the check digit is a 0. According to the VIN decoder page, to be a USA car the check digit has to be a 1-9 or X (for 10 or 0). For all markets other than the USA its a 0. So maybe mine is the first "USA" car after all?? I'd really appreciate hearing any other thoughts beyond it being the car show car of why this "USA" car was manufactured and imported a year before actual production and importation started. Thanks!


That is not what it means. USA spec cars are available everywhere and are often ordered in other countries if importation to the USA is intended. It is a pretty common practice. I have a 360 here now that was originally bought as a USA spec car in Costa Rica.
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Here is a lower number from the registry book.

120000

360Modena F1 00 Yellow/Nero LHD US ZFFYU51A5Y0120000
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Claude- He was looking for Spiders. That is a coupe.

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Thanks Brian. I'm only reiterating what I'm reading, and now that I'm digging I've seen what I've written in multiple places. Doesn't mean its right. What I do understand to be accurate though is that there was supposed to be no car issued with a USA check value in the VIN until sometime in the middle of the 2001 production run, regardless of where it was ordered or how it was requested, yet there mine is in mid 2000. And nobody has yet to be able to explain to me why. The issue is that if I ever want to sell the car I have to absolutely and without a doubt be able to prove why this anomalous yet fully accurate VIN exists. Thanks all for the help so far. Have my fingers crossed someone can help me solve this mystery!
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Can someone here put me in contact with someone at Ferrari USA that might be willing to help me figure this out?
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OK, I've learned a little more about the car. FNA says the VIN is absolutely a valid USA SN but will not tell me why it exists a full 18 months before the next USA VIN. It was "accepted" by FNA in Miami - was told this is very atypical if unheard of. It was accepted with 858 miles on the OD - told this is very atypical and that 50mi is the typical max. It was first privately registered in FL in March 2001 while the first 360 spiders didn't even start showing up in dealerships until late Q3 2001. I've located the name and number for the person that "accepted" the car for FNA in Miami. And I've located the name and number of the service manager that serviced the car for the first 5+ years. I'll try to connect with them and see if either can tell me why my car's manufacture date is 18 months prior to the next USA serial number. There is also a picture of what looks to be an identical car on the cover of the program for the 2000 Chicago Auto Show but there's really no way to tell its my car or a non-USA car brought over for the show circuit. Hopefully follow up posts soon. Still looking for help from anyone out there that may remember a 360 Spider F1 cruising around the USA in 2000. Tks!
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What would mine be if my Vin# is ZFFYR51A8X0117849 Though I have coupe.
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What are you asking? Turns out the original poster's 360 Spider is not the 1st US Spider, at any rate. Just as examples, 122379 and 122377 are both US Spiders.

Yours is a Giallo Modena/Nero 99 Coupe with red calipers. There are many earlier US Coupes.

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Hi Terry et al., Thanks for all the help and input. I still don't have an answer about my VIN, a 2000 Spider with the correct USA-requiring check digit (verified by FNA - without the correct check digit its not a USA-car but a North American spec car as long as it has the A in the VIN), but I do have some info to add to the mystery. FNA said that 2377 and 2379 (referenced above) were manufactured to North American specification and do not have the required check digit in the VIN that cars specifically manufactured for the USA have, and are therefore technically NOT US-market Spiders, again at least according to the folks at FNA. I believe these are the early North American spec Argentine cars I've found mention of in several places. My car's VIN was confirmed by FNA as 100% accurate for a USA market car, stating that it was manufactured in 2000 yet given a very strange VIN that I just cant figure out and FNA won't disclose anything more about the anomaly. A3Y specifically designates North American specification, USA Market and Model Year 2000 yet the actual serial number 122392 falls well into the range of serial numbers used for Model Year 2001 cars. I have not been able to connect with either of the two leads I found last year, the person who "accepted" the car and the service manager for its first 5+ years. Will continue to try to work that angle as time allows and will post anything I learn relating to this mystery. But again, any and all input would be most appreciated! Thanks again all

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Some of those disparities may be explained by assembly numbers more than serial numbers. Serial numbers are order numbers, usually in batches of cars, and often with mixed countries of origin. Assembly numbers are assigned as a Ferrari actually hits the assembly line.

An example of this is 122397, which has a VIN of ZFFYT53A2Y0122397, while yours is ZFFYT53A30122392. But I would bet yours has a later assembly number. On these early NA spec 360s, these may have been the Spiders provided to national importers for display.

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