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Henry Haynes 07-23-2003 04:41 PM

SN 3181
I imported a Ferarri 250GTE (#3181) from northern Italy in 1975. I
subsequently sold it (I wish I hadn't) & lost track of it. I've
often wondered what happened to it. I have no ulterior motives for
finding my old Ferrari; I'm just curious as to where it is, if it's
still on the road, etc., etc.. I would like to see a photo of what it
looks like now if it's not too much trouble to the present owner.
Also, if the present owner is interested, I will be happy to send
copies of my 1975 import documentation.

250lm 07-24-2003 10:45 PM

Mr. Sheehan was so kind to provide this info:

S/n 3181. 250 GTE. Was 250 GTE. Now 250 TR replica.

2001, 6 April, Techno Classica, Essen, Germany. Red. Rebodied in Italy by

2001, 30-31 July, Modena Motorsport Festival. Red. 234 ASR 92, F.

2001, 1 August, Wolf/Viesmann Ferrari-Challenge, Nurburgring. Red/black.

2002, 4-7 April, Techno Classica, Essen, Germany. Huberti Auto. 275,000

Additional info is that it was for sale with Athanee/MMC in Paris, a few years ago.


Henry Haynes 07-25-2003 05:15 AM

I greatly appreciate the information.

It sounds like S/N 3181 has evolved into a more exciting life than it would have had if it had remained with us.

Should anyone have a photo of 3181 in its new 250 TR skin, I would appreciate an email attachment. I have a line of pictures on the wall of cars that I have owned. I might hang the 3181 / 250 TR picture under the old picture of it as a 250 GTE.

Thanks again,

Dj Dirk 07-25-2003 06:25 AM

I was at Techno Classica in 2002, but i don't have it on a digital pic, i went with some crappy digital camera that day and a small chip.
but i also took my regular camera along, and shot several roles, so i will check those out and hope that they are on one of those

250lm 07-25-2003 09:16 AM

2 Attachment(s)
For now, this picture was provided by Cyril Teste. He wil check if he has some more (better ones).


PS: Can you add more info to this car? Like the time you owned it and from who it came and to who it went?

Thanks a lot

Andrew 07-25-2003 10:14 AM

Are these guys part of the Teliao network on Red Headed? I sent them an email asking to join and never got anything back from them.

250lm 07-25-2003 10:47 AM

Yep, and Edvar is a member here, right? He started the internet services of Telaio!!!


Henry Haynes 07-28-2003 03:35 PM

Thanks for info!
I really appreciate all the information on s/n 3181. It was a little like hearing about an old friend. The 250GTE was not the most desirable body style, but it was fun to drive through the twisty back roads. If anyone finds more photos, they would be appreciated. I want to get one good one for a 5" x 7" wall picture to hang with the old one.

Niels, I will send you an email with the brief history of the car that I have access to.

Thanks again,

Henry Haynes 08-27-2004 05:10 AM

Thanks again for the info that you sent to me about a year ago on ol' SN 3181. It took me a long time, but I now have the picture of it as a 250 TR hanging under my old picture of it in its original 250 GTE configuration. I am going to attempt to attach my old picture (taken around 1976) to this message. This picture was taken after I had stripped many layers of paint & had it resprayed in its original (& fairly boring) tan color.

If this doesn't work, and if anyone wants the picture, I will be happy to email it to you.

Dr. Bob 08-27-2004 07:52 AM

Cool to hear from you again. You can attach a pic by clicking the attach button, then browse to the pic and hit attach again. If it gives any problems let me know, I'll help you. What other cars did you own? Must be an interesting wall if you had a 250 GTE.

Henry Haynes 08-27-2004 08:47 AM

Dr. Bob:

I'm getting a "The Attachment is too big." message, so I'll try to email it to you.

The Ferrari probably represents the high point on my picture wall. My present toy is a "Cooper-ized" Austin Mini that is at the mechanic's shop getting a serious engine upgrade (boring, pistons, cam, etc.).

Dr. Bob 08-27-2004 09:00 AM

Please try to mail it to [email protected], if it is too big I can make it smaller for you.

A mini is cool, aspecially when it is upgraded. That car corners like a madman.

Dr. Bob 08-29-2004 09:03 PM

4 Attachment(s)
Here is the pic of the car in 2 versions.

Dj Dirk 08-30-2004 08:05 AM

very nice, what kind of colour was that?

Rosso 09-05-2004 12:00 AM

Looks/looked good. Too bad you don't have it anymore.

That Austin mini must be a fun little car though.

Henry Haynes 09-05-2004 08:25 AM

Dj Dirk:
I went through MANY layers of paint to find the original & had it matched. It was an unexciting khaki tan color. The 1st attachment is a scan of my wall picture that has yellowed with age. The 2nd has been color adjusted by one of our graphics people. The interior was upholstered in tan fabric (wool?), not leather.

I would love to still have the old Ferrari. At the time it was just that, an old Ferrari that had developed some noises. So, I sold it. Unfortunately, we don't have the benefit of hind sight until it's many years too late.

Yes, the Mini is a ball to drive. It has been undergoing an endless engine rebuild (+0.30, dished pistons, racing cam, etc). Hopefully, it will be on the road again soon for some white-knuckled driving fun. Incidentally, I drove my 1st Mini Cooper back when I had the 250GTE, and I remember thinking how much fun it was. So, I finally bought one.

Andrew 09-05-2004 11:14 AM


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Henry Haynes 03-23-2012 07:26 AM

I was sitting here in my office looking at the pictures on the wall of the old cars I've had. So, I thought I would revisit the thread I started several years ago when I was trying to track down my old 250GTE (s/n 3181). It was interesting to find that it had been re-bodied as a TR, but it was sad to hear that the conversion was not one of the best.
I was just curious. Have there been any recent sightings? Is it still showing up occasionally at shows around Europe?

tazandjan 03-23-2012 08:34 AM

Henry- Welcome back. Sad story about your GTE, but very common. My first two Ferraris are both somewhat bastardized, but not as badly as your now poor TR copy. My 72 Dino was converted to a flares and chairs coupe, totally non-original for the Dec 71 build, and my Daytona had the top chopped.

Oh well. Will see if I can find anything on your 3181. Who did the conversion?

Henry Haynes 03-23-2012 11:31 AM

According to Niels' post above (7/25/03), it was done by Giordanengo in Italy (evidently on a Monday after a rough weekend). But, that's the only info I have.

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