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post #1 of 12 Old 01-03-2014, 10:44 AM Thread Starter
 
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2002-03 456M GT versus 360 Modena

I have been thinking about a 360 Modena with stick but have also had a look at the 456M GT because of the 2+2 which would allow another couple to tag along for coffee or dinner; probably a better model to convince my wife, too, more gentleman-like than racer? The 360 appeals to me for a number of reasons, performance, looks, sound, etc., however, perhaps the 456 might be less conspicuous about town and in the eyes of ticket-happy law-enforcement? Seems pricing jumps all over the place for both models so I'd like any feedback regarding advantages/disadvantages regarding pricing, maintenance issues/costs, etc. Obviously more parts in a v12 to deal with for repairs, but is there any difference in cost /ease-of-access between front mount motor in the 456 and mid-engine 360, related to belts, fluids and clutch changes? Thank you, and best wishes to all for the New Year!
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I LOVE the 456 GT,

but

you are much better off with the low maintenance 360 than what most likely will be a high maintenance 456.

IF I had a reliable 456, I'd get another...but honestly the 360/430 seems more appealing due to maintenance.

But to placate some of your questions:
456 'does' have lower in bay costs, but you'll be aware to know the mechs that can do the correct diagnosis and/or fix of a job other than 'relatively easy' tuneup is not the key. believe me, this particular model is in need of much stuff today. I don't care the upkeep was...most likely not kept up to par IMO

360 totally revamped the expensive cost engine out of the 348/355 series and that is a big plus. over thousands mfgr'd and therefore well supported IMO. less than 1900 of the 456

she'll love the 360 especially if spider, but, in your area a coupe might be better.

but nothing like a 12.....but be vayeeee kafulll

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Two totally different Ferraris, and be advised the two rear seats would only be suitable for very, very short trips with adults back there.

The 456M is improved over the 456 GT and the newer models mean there is less likely to be deferred maintenance compared to earlier 456s. The 456 still has shim adjusted valve clearances, not a big deal, while the 360 has hydraulic lifters. Both need cambelt changes at 3-5 year intervals, and both are about the same cost for that and other maintenance procedures, except there are more spark plugs in one of them. Both get terrible gas mileage. The 360 is quicker and handles better in the twisties, but the 456M is less frenetic cruising. Windows have been a problem for the 456 and 456M, but there is a permanent solution available.

Easy to find a good 360, hard to find a good 456M GT. An order of magnitude more production for the V8s.

12 cylinders in front is hard to beat, but 8 cylinders in the middle are pretty neat, too.

Go to ferraridatabase.com and you can download owners manuals and workshop manuals for free.

Most important, ask your wife which one she prefers.

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I suggest reading the Buyer's Guide for each model. They both give a very thorough evaluation, and should provide a good estimation on what to expect with each. If I can add anything, I'd echo what Taz said about the difficulty in finding a good 456 - I've looked at / driven six and wouldn't touch any of them.


I'm still looking for a 456M, but haven't seen one that didn't need $15K after purchase to bring it up to minimum standards.

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Echo all

I looked for a 456 to have back seats for me and my little guys. I looked and had PPI done on three 456s. All PPIs suggested a lot of work lurking beneath one of the most beautiful car designs ever. By contrast, finding a well cared for 360, was not hard. Also one of the most beautiful/noteworthy designs of the late twentieth century IMHO. Iconic.

If you go with a 360, I predict you'll surf the interweb looking at 456s- they seem almost so inexpensive to buy that the addiction never goes away.

If in the end, it is the 456 that makes your heart move, then go for it, accept the costs and enjoy it.

I would be curious to know of those that actually pulled the trigger on a 456, how many regretted it in any way.

After my 430, ironically, I keep looking at 456s and almost bought one. In the end, the Ferrari with back seats I found fit me the best, was the Maserati GTS F1. That is until the OTO 612s come down a bit more.


Good luck, welcome to the addiction. And its not the ability to put another couple in the back or the buy in from your wife that makes the 456 so appealing is it , really? Its the car. It is beautiful, front 12 Ferrari. That's enough to make anyone's heart race.



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I would go for the 360 first and pickup an old 12 later. I bought my TR first, then the 360. You can do both if it's too difficult to choose. It's like having kids. Whom would you choose as your favorite kid?! Smile
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Either model can rack up $10-15k in service/repairs due to negligence without much trouble. There still more good 360's than 456's though and the likely hood of finding a 360 that needs major engine work is lower than finding a 456 that needs major engine work. The day to day expenses are somewhat rivaled as well. You have to compare good cars to good cars and bad cars to bad cars, not model to model.


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Josh- Affirmative, and you want to do a bleed-down and compression check on any 456/456M in case she got a set of bad valve guides. The 360 has sintered steel guides, so not an issue.

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There are a lot of 456's floating around with valve train and head gasket issues. We're seeing more with bottom end issues too. I still recommend a comp/leak test on any 360 with miles on it. The cars with pre-catalysts in the manifolds are prone to sucking in the bits of a failed catalysts, which results in a complete engine over haul.


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There are a lot of 456's floating around with valve train and head gasket issues. We're seeing more with bottom end issues too. I still recommend a comp/leak test on any 360 with miles on it. The cars with pre-catalysts in the manifolds are prone to sucking in the bits of a failed catalysts, which results in a complete engine over haul.
I'm not sure that the 1999 360 has pre-cats Josh.
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The 99 doesn't, but most cars are 2000-2004 which do have the pre-cats in the headers.


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