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post #1 of 9 Old 09-19-2012, 12:58 PM Thread Starter
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Ferrari 575M - Pre Purchase Questions

Hello All,

First, thank you all for giving me some insight and thoughts in my quest for my first Ferrari. You all are very helpful.

I am looking at 2003 Ferrari 575M with 15,000 miles. I have had a PPI performed and it came back pretty much clean with a couple of anomalies. The CarFax is clean. The current owner has had the car for about 6 years. Overall the car has some cosmetic issues that I would take care of if I get the car. Here are some things that came out in the PPI that I would like your opinions / comments:

Back in April 2008, the owner experienced some severe transmission problems. The end result is the original transmission was replaced with a new one (updated?). The work order implied the clutch may have been replaced as well, but the owner says it was not. So guessing the work order was saying removed / installed clutch was the original clutch and not a new one.

There were some issues getting shift points set correctly and it was in and out of the shop a few times.

In April, the shop reported mileage as 19,000 miles, but the CarFax indicated the emissions test for that period recorded 9,000 miles, so assume the maintenance record had a typo.

The last major service was performed in December 2011. Engine and gearbox oil, coolant, belts, etc. Mileage stated as 14,000 and a bit, so that seems to confirm the "typo" assumption from 2008.

During the last major service (December 2011), the SD2 computer showed 2.07% clutch wear. During the PPI this week, the SD2 computer indicated the clutch had virtually no wear. This seems strange for a car that the owner says has the original clutch. Is this an indication of problem with the wear indicator? Or is 2.07% clutch wear something that is not particularly unusual. If the clutch was replaced with the transmission (2008), wouldn't you expect more wear? Even if there is problem with say a clutch wear indicator, how long would one expect a clutch to last? Maybe 25,000 miles (depending on how it is driven). What are the symptoms of a clutch nearing end of life?

The cosmetic problems I mentioned are:
- Rock chips on bumper

- Leather dashboard pulling away exposing some of the under layer of the dashboard.

Would appreciate any comments.

Thanks,

Steve



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Steve- When the clutch was removed and replaced, they may have zeroed out the memory in the F1 ECU/TCU, which would make the system think a new clutch had been installed. On a 575M, or any of the single dry plate clutch 65 deg V12s, that is not really a problem, since clutch wear can be checked with a bore scope through one of the inspection ports. There is a pin on the throw-out bearing that runs in a slot. If the pin is fully seated in the slot, the clutch is nearly fully worn and will need to be replaced soon. If there is clearance between the pin and the end of the slot, there is clutch life remaining. At my last annual, I had 13mm of play left on my clutch.

You can live with the pulled dash until it bothers you enough to fix it. If the leather needs replacing, ~$3500. If it can be stretched and reglued (Bradan in NY has done that), it will be less. ~8 hours of labor to R&R the dash.

My bumper is covered in rock chips, so I will get it repainted one of these years. No way to drive one and not chip the bumper unless you are a 3M kind of guy, and I am not.

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Terry makes some great points.
Looking at the bigger picture I would say if the price is a fair deal I would buy the car. I bought a 575 that had some cosmetic issues, needed a major and showed minimal clutch left.. As soon as I saw the car in person down in Fla. I knew I was buying it on the spot and taking it home with me to NJ.
Cosmetic issues can always be repaired on your own time table. I would visually have your Tech inspect the clutch. Algar did my major and visually inspected the clutch and its fine. Sometimes the SD reading isnt accurate.
The car looks clean in the photos
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Made my decision and got 360

Hi, Thanks for your replies. I had narrowed down my choice to the 360 and the 575. Different cars and in the end, I got the 360. Maybe after a bit with my 360, I might swap to the 575. We will see. My wife does not want to go thru this again with my back and forth and fussing over which car to get ... but she is not a car girl (maybe she will change). I am old codger and this is an item on my bucket list.

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Chines Wheels (?) on a 575M

Your link shows the same car, 140629, at two different dealerships with a $20K difference in price. Also looks like some cretin put Chinese wheels on the poor car. Wrong widths, offsets, etc for a Maranello. Otherwise a nice FHP 575M.

Who actually has the car?

Too late at any rate, since he bought a nice 360.

I do note you have two nice gated 575Ms. Only 236 were built worldwide.
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Your link shows the same car, 140629, at two different dealerships with a $20K difference in price. Also looks like some cretin put Chinese wheels on the poor car. Wrong widths, offsets, etc for a Maranello. Otherwise a nice FHP 575M.

Who actually has the car?

Too late at any rate, since he bought a nice 360.

I do note you have two nice gated 575Ms. Only 236 were built worldwide.
Seriously, someone removed the modulars and put those on? OMFG!

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Mark- Not necessarily. FHP and the 19" wheels were separate options. Mine had FHP and 18" wheels.

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