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212Export 06-06-2012 06:02 AM

Fantasies about a 3rd. Ferrari
 
So far, I always limited myself to 2 Ferrari's at the time. Lately I found myself thinking how I could go around that (easy by buying a third one:crowngrin:). Seriously, I then asked myself what would be the 3rd. Ferrari to buy in case that scenario would come thru ?!

Clearly the very first thought is always the same: F40 (the why about needs no further argumentation)

Then, when checking the market for other classic F-cars, I tend to believe that (even if they are not comparable at all) 308's (carburated, around Euro 40') 365 BB's and 512 BB's (carb. only around Euro 90 to 140') are great buys.

Going up the production years, I fall to my first Ferrari, the Maranello 550, on which I believe you get a lot of Ferrari for the buck these days and finally when checking the market for more recent productions you get great offers for Stradales (Euro '80), Scuds (around Euro 110') and 458's (around Euro 145').

How and when would I use a third Ferrari ? Well as the Daytona is my real long distance driver car, the Maranello does not make much sense, it would be kind of a replacement.
Stradale's and Scuds would kind of replace the short stints with the F50 and "enjoy" further depreciation anyway. So 308, 365 BB's and 512 BB's would be a possible alternative. Would it ? The BB's are maybe too near the Daytona production ?! The 308 would be a simple fun car with no depreciation potential in my eyes....but will I use it compared to what else is in the Garage at the moment ?

Finally, the F40 would definitively not being driven that often as, say a Maranello, Scud, BB or 308, also because of the presence of the other 2 cars. But the F40 is unique, epocal and huge fun to drive, has already a great classic status and therefore some value stability.

All said and done, would (in your eyes) the F40 still be the best (fitting) addition to the present stable ?

Thanks for all your wise thoughts:ears::ears::ears:

champagne612 06-06-2012 06:25 AM

Interesting - almost mirrors my thoughts.

In a different situation but I too have been pondering a third Ferrari - can't do red or black but that's just me.

The F40 - forgetting resale because I really do not plan on ever selling any of my Ferrari's -is it really worth the money - who knows but in my eyes it's the best looking Ferrari without Borrani's.

Been thinking of a 575SA or a 550 Barchetta for 140 - 160k lots of car and limited.

I do love the older ones but the Austin Healey would then be replaced and I am just not ready to let her go.

markjayw 06-06-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by champagne612 (Post 199029)
Interesting - almost mirrors my thoughts.

In a different situation but I too have been pondering a third Ferrari - can't do red or black but that's just me.

The F40 - forgetting resale because I really do not plan on ever selling any of my Ferrari's -is it really worth the money - who knows but in my eyes it's the best looking Ferrari without Borrani's.

Been thinking of a 575SA or a 550 Barchetta for 140 - 160k lots of car and limited.

I do love the older ones but the Austin Healey would then be replaced and I am just not ready to let her go.

575 SA would really be a replacement also for the 612 wouldn't it? Do you really use all four seats? Then you would have 2 open top Ferrari's, or at least 1 plus 1 that could go either way? Also the 2004 + 575's have 5 year recommended cambelt changes, so you also remove some maintenance with the SA?

You already have 2 Ferrari's, I suggest a path towards the "dark" side, and try a Lambo.

212Export 06-06-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by markjayw (Post 199077)
575 SA would really be a replacement also for the 612 wouldn't it? Do you really use all four seats? Then you would have 2 open top Ferrari's, or at least 1 plus 1 that could go either way? Also the 2004 + 575's have 5 year recommended cambelt changes, so you also remove some maintenance with the SA?

You already have 2 Ferrari's, I suggest a path towards the "dark" side, and try a Lambo.

Oh thanks...I respect the Lambo's and their fan community. But Lambo for me.....NEVER. Sorry.

lucca brazzi 06-06-2012 12:31 PM

F40
 
if you have the money, and it sure seems like you do,,thats great..for me it would be a no brainer,,BUY THE F40 !!! its the greatest car Ferrari ever built.,.

Boxer 06-06-2012 01:24 PM

F40 or the 430 Scuderia.

or get a FF and use it as a daily driver.

karakal 06-06-2012 01:44 PM

Why not consider an F50?

Are Lambos too aggressive for you? I never liked the Murcie SV until I saw Marks dark blue one in his thread.

What about an 599 for a daily drive? I think it's an amazing looking car and is better looking than the f12.

Just my 2 cents :P

JayG 06-06-2012 03:23 PM

246 GT! That would give you all kinds of variety.

Scottish16M 06-06-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by karakal (Post 199096)
Why not consider an F50?

Are Lambos too aggressive for you? I never liked the Murcie SV until I saw Marks dark blue one in his thread.

What about an 599 for a daily drive? I think it's an amazing looking car and is better looking than the f12.

Just my 2 cents :P

212Export has a beautiful F50 already Karakal...

I agree with the 599 comment, great drivers car, especially in HGTE form and in keeping with your stable of v12's :thumbsup:

tazandjan 06-06-2012 09:24 PM

212- An F40 or GTO would scratch a completely different itch than your current stable with the turbo V8s, and put you in the fortunate position of owning two Ferrari supercars. Much more performance from the F40 and real racecar looks, like your F50.

On the cheap, a 599 would have as much or more performance than the F40, but is really a Daytona modernized, like the Maranellos, and the future F12.

212Export 06-06-2012 09:39 PM

Great comments guys. thanks so much for it.
@ Terry, yes I believe too that a 550, 575, 599 would duplicate the Daytona kind of....so no.
@Boxer, yes the Scud is great no question, but still on the depreciation path, you know how sensible I am on that. FF, to BIG look, still not friend with it. F40: fantastic ! Only downside, pricey:crowngrin:)
@JayG, a wonderful suggestion, great car, great looks and after seeing Capo driving it...what a car. Unfortunately periodically/historically wise to near to the Daytona, even though different concept.
@karakal, yes the F50 is a wonderful, great car, bought one last October. And yes Lambo is too agressive for my taste.
@lucca, thanks it seems after all if a 3rd. F-car would be considered, atm I would go for a F40 again.

212Export 06-06-2012 10:18 PM

BTW, interestingly none of you mentioned the BB's ?!:ears:

Boxer 06-06-2012 11:39 PM

If I consider what you currently have in the garage:

Daytona - best of the late 60s/early 70s
F50 - best of the 90s

then you would be looking to fill:

best of the early 60s
best of the 80s
best of the 00s

which would be:

250 GTO
F40
Enzo, 430 Scuderia, or 599 GTO

GuyIncognito 06-07-2012 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxer (Post 199144)
If I consider what you currently have in the garage:

Daytona - best of the late 60s/early 70s
F50 - best of the 90s

then you would be looking to fill:

best of the early 60s
best of the 80s
best of the 00s

which would be:

250 GTO
F40
Enzo, 430 Scuderia, or 599 GTO

interesting, my perfect 3-Ferrari garage would be:
275 GTB/4 (classic beauty)
F40 (iconic, trying-to-kill-you fast)
599 HGTE or F12 (daily driver with phenomenal performance)




and a 333SP in case the F40 doesn't succeed in killing me :yikes::steeringwheel::thumbsup::crowngrin:

champagne612 06-07-2012 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by markjayw (Post 199077)
575 SA would really be a replacement also for the 612 wouldn't it? Do you really use all four seats? Then you would have 2 open top Ferrari's, or at least 1 plus 1 that could go either way? Also the 2004 + 575's have 5 year recommended cambelt changes, so you also remove some maintenance with the SA?

You already have 2 Ferrari's, I suggest a path towards the "dark" side, and try a Lambo.

I use the back seats all the time - my Ferrari's and Camaro are my daily drivers.

My daughter took my RR and while my son is in NY this summer I am using his Jeep - but that option will be gone soon.

Three Ferrari's would even out my 12,000 miles a year perfectly.

The dark side has a lot of blind spots - for a dd not sure I could handle that.

Depreciation and maintenance - doesn't bother me. Keep in mind my wife rides hunters and jumpers makes Ferrari ownership look like a piece of cake. :)

212 - a friend has a 458 Daytona F40 and just sold a 599 GTO.

Interesting the Daytona is by far his favorite - what is so magical about the Daytona besides the obvious of a 12 cylinder convertible?

Vitalone 06-07-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxer (Post 199144)
If I consider what you currently have in the garage:

Daytona - best of the late 60s/early 70s
F50 - best of the 90s

then you would be looking to fill:

best of the early 60s
best of the 80s
best of the 00s

which would be:

250 GTO
F40
Enzo, 430 Scuderia, or 599 GTO

Great thinking Boxer! And best of the mid-late 1970's-BB, a very different Ferrari to the Daytona.

212Export 06-07-2012 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by champagne612 (Post 199167)
I use the back seats all the time - my Ferrari's and Camaro are my daily drivers.

My daughter took my RR and while my son is in NY this summer I am using his Jeep - but that option will be gone soon.

Three Ferrari's would even out my 12,000 miles a year perfectly.

The dark side has a lot of blind spots - for a dd not sure I could handle that.

Depreciation and maintenance - doesn't bother me. Keep in mind my wife rides hunters and jumpers makes Ferrari ownership look like a piece of cake. :)

212 - a friend has a 458 Daytona F40 and just sold a 599 GTO.

Interesting the Daytona is by far his favorite - what is so magical about the Daytona besides the obvious of a 12 cylinder convertible?

Doug, after having driven many, many Ferrari classics and owned 6 of them with long distances driving involved with all of them, I honestly think that for ME (only,) the Daytona is the best long distance driving classic Ferrari. Fast, more comfortable than many if not most modern ones for long distance. Long gearing, great V12, once only a easy solvable problem within almost 40'000km driving (it was the gazpump)...what else can you ask when using the car as I do ?!

Honestly I have driven several times a 275 GTB/4. Of course the value and shape of the car is...WOW. But in respect to driving experience and handling for my kind of driving use, I would never give the Daytona in against a 275 GTB/4. Many will think that I'm crazy but you may remember that I owned also a shortnose 275 GTB/2, drove it for about 12'K, loved it, racy, nimble, but never comparable to a Daytona, never. (I'm not talking about the 275 GTB/C's of course).
Maybe a BB' would compare well and do the job comparable but the problem (again, only for me!) is that the BB's, although faster and somewhat lighter, have totally different seats, much less space, and create more noise and heat inside the cabin. That may be not recognizeable when driving short to medium long distances but for long distances its a great difference. I know that many BB' owners are around which drive their BB's long distance, but they mostly have not driven a Daytona long distance as a true comparison. And please this makes no car better or lower, its just my experience for ME only, since you were asking for the reason intially.:crowngrin::steeringwheel:

@david & Chas: Hope that answers also your mentioning. BB's and 275's, great, great cars.

212Export 06-07-2012 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Boxer (Post 199144)
If I consider what you currently have in the garage:

Daytona - best of the late 60s/early 70s
F50 - best of the 90s

then you would be looking to fill:

best of the early 60s
best of the 80s
best of the 00s

which would be:

250 GTO
F40
Enzo, 430 Scuderia, or 599 GTO

Well for the first one........"euro Millions Lottery " ?:crowngrin:

The second: Yes, agree

The third: Enzo, great, too expensive and not that much inspiring (see my Enzo thread), Scuderia, great car, great value, great derivative of mass production 430 shape.
599 GTO, fantastic car (driven only once) still great depreciation potential, great derivative of a kind of mass production 599 line.
Maybe all in all I'm too picky. :crowngrin:

tazandjan 06-07-2012 10:40 AM

212- About the only thing left, besides the 288 GTO and F40, would be the last of the SOHC cars, like a 330/365 GTC or, more affordably, a 365 GT 2+2. Owners of the Queen Mother and GTCs really love them, and Brian Crall says the QM/365 GTC engine is just about bullet-proof. Always liked the QM because it looks like a Superfast, but drives way better. Put wire wheels on one and it screams 60s Ferrari.

212Export 06-07-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tazandjan (Post 199233)
212- About the only thing left, besides the 288 GTO and F40, would be the last of the SOHC cars, like a 330/365 GTC or, more affordably, a 365 GT 2+2. Owners of the Queen Mother and GTCs really love them, and Brian Crall says the QM/365 GTC engine is just about bullet-proof. Always liked the QM because it looks like a Superfast, but drives way better. Put wire wheels on one and it screams 60s Ferrari.

Terry I owned the 330 GTC. Great car but not on my list atm.


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