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amanderu 04-19-2012 03:07 PM

275 GTS or 330 GTS
 
If one is looking at the 1960s GTS, The question is 275 GTS or 330 GTS? Do they drive very similarly?

Also can anyone give me a price range for a good condition 275 or 330 GTS?
Are the RM Auction sample kind of telling the range (700-800K)?
We have looked at 2 sample of 330 GTS, one is 385K (requires 120K of work estimated given to me) and the other is 760K, which I have not been able to test drive yet.

I have driven a 330 GT 2+2 series II a while ago...if that could be used as reference as well.

Any input is much welcomed! Many thanks!

Brian 04-19-2012 03:47 PM

The 330 has many improvements over the 275 mechanically.

There are about half as many 330 GTS as there are 275 GTS according to Ferrari Market letter so availability may be an issue. If the different design of the nose does not put you off I can think of no other reason not to go for the 330.

I think they are both sound investments but the 330 is an easier car to live with.

The 330 has a more flexible motor with more torque. The open drive shaft in the 275 was not a great design. IIRC the 275 has the same brakes as the GTB did so the 330 wins there too.

It is like comparing a 308 to a 328 or a 360 to a 430.


Dont get me wrong. Many years ago we had a 275 GTS as kind of a shop car and I drove it a lot. I really liked it but the 330 is just more car.

amanderu 04-19-2012 04:24 PM

Thank you, Brian!
I was accompanying a friend to see his car restoration and one of the company's client there showing me a very good 330 GTS, but no chance of driving it yet...
Anyone know anything about this 330 GTS S/N 9733? It was in American ownership for more than 3 decades before travelled back to Europe few years ago.

Neopolitano 04-19-2012 05:49 PM

I have never driven a 275, but I did grow up with a 330 GTS that my father had in his garage for quite a few years. I drove the car vigorously throughout the hilly countryside of DE/PA back in the 70s. The 330 has excellent power, lots of torque and nice balance. To my very biased way of thinking I cannot think of a better "little red Italian sports car" than the 330 GTS. From a design standpoint what can be better than a 300 hp front engined V-12, a 5 speed transaxle, Ferrari drop top wearing Borranis? Sure the style is less than exotic compared to the GTB, but from a fun standpoint it's very hard to beat.

Scottish16M 04-19-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by amanderu (Post 191327)
Thank you, Brian!
I was accompanying a friend to see his car restoration and one of the company's client there showing me a very good 330 GTS, but no chance of driving it yet...
Anyone know anything about this 330 GTS S/N 9733? It was in American ownership for more than 3 decades before travelled back to Europe few years ago.

Gus, ping Carbon a PM, he may have details on that chassis #.

tazandjan 04-19-2012 09:48 PM

The 275 GTS is prettier and they only built 200 of them, but like Brian and Neopolitano said, the 330 GTS, of which they only built half, or 100, is more car.

Neopolitano 04-20-2012 07:52 AM

Here is a 330 GTS coming up at RM Monaco.

1968 Ferrari 330 GTS

Brian 04-20-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Neopolitano (Post 191438)
Here is a 330 GTS coming up at RM Monaco.

1968 Ferrari 330 GTS


I am familiar with the car.


It served to show us what very average work comes out of Classiche. They don't even bother with originality because they don't know how. As far as they are concerned if they did it, it is correct.

Lots of money for a highschool autoshop quality restoration.

JazzyO 04-20-2012 10:18 AM

Gus, if the car that needs work has good records and perhaps a tool kit or books, it might be the right way to go with a restoration project. Investingwise you'll be sound as a pound, even if you go over the 120k (which I suspect you might), and then you'll have a car that you know exactly of what was done and how it was done.

The 330GT2+2 is not really a reference. A quite different car to drive. The great thing about the 330GTC/S is that you sit right on the rear axle, making the car wonderful to steer from the rear. The balance is also wonderful with a lower COG than the 330GT (no proof but to me the 2+2 just seems to lean over a lot more). The damping is also quite different.

Everybody who knows me here knows how I rave about my GTC and considering that the 330GTS is prettier than the 275GTS, has a bigger and more tractable engine, better suspension, and (I think) better brakes, and it is rarer, it seems a no brainer to go for the 330GTS if you can afford it. Just my humble opinion.


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tazandjan 04-20-2012 02:56 PM

Onno- On that we disagree. I think the 275 GTS is much prettier from the front than the 330 GTS. From the back, it is difficult to tell the difference between the two. No doubt about the superiority of the drivetrain on the 330, especially the torque tube connecting engine and transaxle.

Gus- The 330 GT 2+2 had a front engine, front transmission layout and was the last hold-out of the live rear axle for Ferrari. The 275s and 330 GTC/GTS had independent rear suspension and transaxles, so the handling is far superior to the old live axle 2+2s.

Odd, but it appears they never made any 365 GTS cars. Guess the 365 California and Daytona Spider filled that niche

Neopolitano 04-20-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tazandjan (Post 191493)
Onno- On that we disagree. I think the 275 GTS is much prettier from the front than the 330 GTS. From the back, it is difficult to tell the difference between the two. No doubt about the superiority of the drivetrain on the 330, especially the torque tube connecting engine and transaxle.

Gus- The 330 GT 2+2 had a front engine, front transmission layout and was the last hold-out of the live rear axle for Ferrari. The 275s and 330 GTC/GTS had independent rear suspension and transaxles, so the handling is far superior to the old live axle 2+2s.

Odd, but it appears they never made any 365 GTS cars. Guess the 365 California and Daytona Spider filled that niche

Terry.........they did make a 365 GTS. With only 20 built they are rare to see, but there was one at Cavallino this past January.

I agree with you about the looks. Although I like the 330 GTC as designed, for some reason I think the shorter nose on the 275 GTS better suits the convertible.

Brian 04-20-2012 03:47 PM

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Odd, but it appears they never made any 365 GTS cars. Guess the 365 California and Daytona Spider filled that niche



Actually they did. I thought it was 25 units but this says 20.

We had a couple go through the dealer over the years. Much as I like the 365 the 330 looks better with the fender louvers.

JazzyO 04-20-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tazandjan (Post 191493)
Onno- On that we disagree. I think the 275 GTS is much prettier from the front than the 330 GTS.

No problem at all, so many people, so many tastes. I do think the 275 is pretty, though.


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JazzyO 04-20-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian (Post 191503)
Actually they did. I thought it was 25 units but this says 20.

Yes, it was 20 cars.


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Neopolitano 04-20-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian (Post 191503)
Actually they did. I thought it was 25 units but this says 20.

We had a couple go through the dealer over the years. Much as I like the 365 the 330 looks better with the fender louvers.

I agree, Although the 365 Type 245 engine is a better motor than the 330 type 209, the replacement of the louvers in the fenders with the plastic units in the hood of the 365 was a step backwards in aesthetic design. IIRC there was one 365 GTC prototype built for Sig. Pirelli that had the bigger engine while still maintaining the side louvers of the 330. It also had the star mag wheels of the Daytona and C/4. Too bad Ferrari did not continue with the side louvers for the 365 GTC.

tazandjan 04-20-2012 08:50 PM

Thanks for the info on the 365 GTS.

Onno- You are correct on taste. I actually prefer the 330/365 GTC shape to the 275 GTB shape, but that puts me in a decided minority. Except for the 275 GTB/C models.

amanderu 04-20-2012 11:16 PM

Wow, just a day away from FL and so much input received! - Greatly appreciated guys..:thumbsup:

I kind of agreeing that I have to get pass the look of the front grille of the 330s versus the 275s, but they are both looking so nice in their own way.
And, if looking at enjoyment and investment at the same time, it is true that the 330s was only made half of the 275s.
Of course it will be even better if you get more car in 330 than 275, in terms of driveability and power.

The second car I am looking at the moment (9733) looks extremely well restored, both interior, exterior and all the chromes, etc. The engine and mechanics looked like brand new. Apparently the car has undergone a 'no spared expenses' 4 years restoration at Kessler USA (NY?) early 2000. It was done under the ownership of Gene Cassone of NY state.
It comes with original factory hardtop and AC.
I am going to spend all afternoon to go through history file (2 thick binders of invoices and photos of restoration work) and hopefully get a drive, weather permitted:steeringwheel:

Many thanks again for all the input! I will send some photos if possible...

JazzyO 04-21-2012 12:49 AM

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IIRC there was one 365 GTC prototype built for Sig. Pirelli that had the bigger engine while still maintaining the side louvers of the 330. It also had the star mag wheels of the Daytona and C/4.

Correct, although it was classified as a 330GTC and the mags are not of the Daytona but rather a prototype version of those. They are narrower. Chassis #10581.


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amanderu 05-23-2012 03:05 PM

After a month long wait for a decent weather in London, I managed to test drive the two cars I am looking at, RHD 275 GTS and LHD 330 GTS.
Perfect weather this week allowed for a top down approach.

The RHD 275 GTS has the Chinetti 6-carb upgrades (I am probably too amateur to fell the difference, as I am not testing the standard model side-by-side).
The car handles really well, steering is firm but not overly heavy. The springing feels rather supple (more like a boat if compared to my 458), but I can still feel the road grip on English small curvy country lanes. The 2nd gear is not always easy to get from 1st gear, although straight into 3rd didn't feel strange at all. The strange thing is that the gear stick is still located as if it is a LHD car, so for a small person like me, it feels like I am trespassing the passenger side.

In the LHD 330 GTS, it appears that my left hand steering is not as good as my right hand, as it took me a few miles before getting use to changing gear while keeping the car on the left lane. The 2nd gear seems to be having similar issue like the 275, although after 15mins of running, it starts to work much smoother.
The bigger engine can be felt on lower gear, helping the car to willingly accelerate faster than the 275...although on longer stretch, the bigger engine advantage is getting less obvious, IMHO. I wonder if the 6-carb on the 275 has something to do. The car ride and handle very nicely, as a classic. Suspension wasn't bad at all on a stretch of stripped-surface road (waiting for road resurfacing at night, I supposed).

Overall impressions are satisfying on both cars, as classic spyder to be used as a touring car...I can't really decide which one I like, style wise, as they're both differently nice looking (or both nicely different looking?) ... I think in the end it will be more of which model is available at the right time for me to get it. I am patient enough to find the right car.

(((Unfortunately, 2 days after test driving it, the 330 was sold to a keen American buyer, who bought it without looking at the car:wall:)))

RHD 275 GTS is still there, but I am keen on test driving 275 GTS/4 NART as comparison.
I will look at another 330 GTS that will need a lot of cosmetics, mechanical and engine works, hopefully in the next 2 weeks.

Fiorano 05-23-2012 03:58 PM

Thanks for the report Gus. Sounds like either would make a nice addition to the 458. Any pics of the 2 cars in question or links to the sales adverts?


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