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post #1 of 31 Old 04-19-2012, 01:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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Help buying first Ferrari F430 Spider

Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me some sound advise on running costs of a f430, having owned Porsches and mercedes I suspect I'm gonna be laying out double on everything.
The 430 has 30,000 miles 56reg new clutch was done in January 2012 also annual service a the major service was done last year, the car also has a power warranty until Jan 2013 not sure how good these are.

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Running costs on an F430 are not too bad, but it is still a Ferrari. The Power Warranty only covers drive train issues (but not clutch AFAIK). If your tranny packs up it is worthwhile.

If we exclude insurance and petrol then 1 - 2 grand a year with no major service, and maybe 4 in a year with major service should be a reasonable ball park. It all depends on how much, and how hard, you drive.

I say this without having owned a 430, BTW, perhaps some owners care to adjust my numbers up or down.


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Thank you for the information, regarding major service is this depending upon just millage or millage and age. The reason I ask is because I'm on the understanding that the major services should be done every 15k however this car had an annual service at 30k and the major before looks like the service is running in reverse.
Do you know roughly how much a clutch is for the F1, im not a hard driver and the car is only going to be used at weekends for cursing around does it make a difference on the life span of the clutch using the paddels to auto mode.
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A major is recommended every 3 years or every 20k miles or thereabouts (could be 15), and an annual service should be done as well. There are people that happily postpone their major services to 4 or 5 years. It is not literally linked to a mileage number, you can postpone it if you know your car well and you know your driving style well. Since you don't know the driving style of the previous owner, I would first check when the last major was done, and how many miles were travelled in between.

A clutch should be a grand or two including labour, I would think. Clutch life is very good if you only go for open drives. The F1 hates traffic and dawdling in cities, because the only way it can regulate the slow moving car is by slipping the clutch. So clutch life is very much dependent on where the car lives. On your potential car I would check if it has had a clutch change. If not, ask for the percentage wear (it should then be worn more than 60% I would think). Also ask where the car was based, and if the car was tracked. Nothing wrong with tracking, just as long as they keep them on the black stuff and serviced their car more regularly.

Again - I'm not a 430 owner, these are guesses based on what I've heard from my specialist and 430 owners and what I've paid for my 550. Hopefully a 430 owner will chip in - we have several here.


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Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me some sound advise on running costs of a f430, having owned Porsches and mercedes I suspect I'm gonna be laying out double on everything.
The 430 has 30,000 miles 56reg new clutch was done in January 2012 also annual service a the major service was done last year, the car also has a power warranty until Jan 2013 not sure how good these are.
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Sean just depends on which one you buy.

F1 or gated shifter.

Don't get hung up on maintenance - it's not that bad.

Feel free to post the car you are looking at and others will chime in.

CCB Brakes wear Clutch wear after that it's not that different from any other car with the exception parts are 2 - 3 times. There are many suppliers that offer like parts at lower prices and are sponsors of the site.

May I suggest reading the 430 buyers guide.
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Welcome to Ferrari Life Sean.

All good advice below, not being a 430 owner I can't add much to what's already been posted. Though do feel free to post a link to the potential car, if you would like to.

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May I suggest reading the 430 buyers guide.
Hi Doug, do you have one perhaps? There is no FerrariLife 430 buyer's guide (yet).


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Onnp- With no cambelts and hydraulic lifters, there is really no major service on the F430 (or the 458, either). Just the annual, two year (power steering fluid, etc) and three year items (auxiliary belts, not very expensive to change) plus the 15,000 and 30,000 mile service items like air filters, suspension alignment and multiple inspections.

Your estimate of $1-2K is about right, excluding tires, probably faded towards the bottom end.

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Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me some sound advise on running costs of a f430, having owned Porsches and mercedes I suspect I'm gonna be laying out double on everything.
The 430 has 30,000 miles 56reg new clutch was done in January 2012 also annual service a the major service was done last year, the car also has a power warranty until Jan 2013 not sure how good these are.
What does "56reg" mean?

The maint costs for a 430 are pretty straightforward.

Most of us don't drive enough to do service based upon "mileage" intervals. Rather, its the "time" interval that determines when we do service. If you drive it more than 6k per year, then you will get a different answer. I'll assume you will not for this purpose:

Required services - You can expect around $1000 (+/- $200) for an annual service. Everyother year many of us recommend to flush the gearbox fluids also and change filters so that service is more like $1600.

Tires - around 6000 miles of life and $1500 a set installed...so how much to factor in on that will depend upon how much you drive.

Brake pads - Does it have CCM or steel? Make sure you see the report on remaining pad material and condition of the rotors.

Clutch - If this is an F1 transmission (?) the clutch will last anywhere from 15k to 25k miles most likely (there are some outliers on both ends of the spectrum). If its a stick shift, it should last more than 25k miles. If the clutch was just replaced I would want to see the service records.

Breakage - the above is pretty much it unless something breaks. Having the "Power Normal" warranty is great...the PowerTrain less so (which does it have, which year is the car?)


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A clutch should be a grand or two including labour, I would think
A clutch replacement on a 430 will be $4-6k at most places. And, if they determine the fly wheel needs resurfacing or replacement you can add another $3k. The lowest clutch job I've seen was $4500. The highest was $9500.
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Thank you all for your advise, as i have left a deposit on the car the owner have unadvertised it.

The car spec is as follows:

2007 model
29,000miles
14 months power warranty
Grigio Silverstone Metallic
Rosso Leather Seats With Leather Roll Over Hoops
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19" CHALLENGE Alloys
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14 Months Ferrari Power Warranty
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Yellow Brake Calipers
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What does "56reg" mean?
It is something that only means anything to UK people. Registration number with '56' in it means it was registered in 2007 (or something, I don't know which year).

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A clutch replacement on a 430 will be $4-6k at most places. And, if they determine the fly wheel needs resurfacing or replacement you can add another $3k. The lowest clutch job I've seen was $4500. The highest was $9500.
This is why we need input from people more knowledgeable than me on the 430. Great stuff, also your other points were undoubtedly very helpful.

@Sean - specs look very nice!


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It is something that only means anything to UK people. Registration number with '56' in it means it was registered in 2007 (or something, I don't know which year).
I think 56 mean registered in 2nd half of 2006 (approx, actually spills over to early 2007 as well as far as I know). 06 means approx first half of 2006.

So reg's in UK would be 06, 56, 07, 57, 08, 58 and so on... (I'm sure someone actually UK based can confirm this).

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In the olden days (80s), it was letters to designate registration year. Guess they ran out of letters. The new system is more logical. My Fiat Dino 2400 GT was a T registration and my 308 was a Y.
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My 74 BB ends in N, and you can't put a younger plate on an older car, but you can put an older reg on your car. There are also undated registration numbers, that can be registered to any car. I thought about buying the reg "74 BB" for my Boxer a couple of years ago, but asking price was GBP8,000 which I thought was rather ridiculous. It is amazing what Brits will spend on plates.


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Onno- That always amazed me, too. 8K pounds is a bit excessive, and they have gone for much more. You can imagine what 250GTO would be worth, or just GTO.

My 575M plate costs me $15 extra each year, same for Jan's GL 550 plate. But then our odds of getting what we want are 50 times higher than in the UK.

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Hi Barry the car was made in january 2007 so in theory should be a 07 or 57 but is on a 56 registration which makes no sense but this is just how things are.
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"56" are not your initials, by any chance, Sean?

Oh, I see now, they're 8696.


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Sean, the 07 registration only came in Apr/May 07, so up until then, all new cars will be registered with 56, despite having been manufactured in 2007.
The licence changes in Apr/May and Sep/Oct in the year, so 56reg is from Sep 06 to Apr 07.
You can check if the car is first registered in late 06 or early 07 by looking at the V5 document.

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Great specs by the way!

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