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does anyone know if the Fiorano handling package was an option on the 550 or on the 550 Barchetta? I have it on my 575, did not believe it was available on the 550, but have seen the 'sport' button activator on a 550 dash.
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FHP was definitely an option on later 550s. I drove a 2001 one some time back with the option on it.

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Seth- Welcome to Ferrari Life. In the 1999 timeframe, the Scaglietti options became available on 360s, the 456M, and the 550. Among these for the 550 was the FHP option. The Barchetta also had FHP as an option and I just saw one advertised the other day. Of interest is the caster setting, which is supposed to be fixed, but is in fact adjustable.
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While it was an option on the 550s, the FHP was not particular popular as it really was not needed. Much more common on the 575. ON the 550, it really made the ride very hard.
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The Sport button was part of the 550's original set-up. It firms up the suspension settings whether there is an FHP package or not.

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While it was an option on the 550s, the FHP was not particular popular as it really was not needed. Much more common on the 575. ON the 550, it really made the ride very hard.
Hi Scot.
Apart from the ride being hard, what are the main (driving) differences between the FHP and non-FHP 550's? Did your 550 have it?
I guess it's something that you can have a mechanic add to the car as it's mainly ECU's and stabiliser bar, or is there also a difference in the braking system apart from red callipers?

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Hi Scot.
Apart from the ride being hard, what are the main (driving) differences between the FHP and non-FHP 550's? Did your 550 have it?
I guess it's something that you can have a mechanic add to the car as it's mainly ECU's and stabiliser bar, or is there also a difference in the braking system apart from red callipers?
My 550 did not have the FHP but the 575 did. Without it the 575s that I test drove felt a bit soft/loose. With it though, the 575 is almost a bit too hard. Overall I liked the set up in the 550 better.
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Overall I liked the set up in the 550 better.
So you wouldn't recommend it? I have no clue what the difference will feel like when driving. I'd like to get a chance to compare, but I don't know anyone who owns a 550 with the FHP.
Maybe I should ask my mechanic.

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So you wouldn't recommend it? I have no clue what the difference will feel like when driving. I'd like to get a chance to compare, but I don't know anyone who owns a 550 with the FHP.
Maybe I should ask my mechanic.
Just personal opinion but I would not put the FHP on a 550.
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It all comes down to what parts of the system you put on a 550 or a 575M. The springs, anti-roll bar and hydraulic steering ECU are identical (same part numbers) on the 550 and 575M with FHP. The brakes were identical on FHP and non-FHP Maranellos except for the Pagid Orange 4-4 racing pads and Rosso Corsa paint..

The big difference in the two set-ups for the 575M and the 550 is the shock absorber ECU. There was a 550 FHP specific Bilstein shock ECU, while the FHP 575M came with whatever stock shock ECU was being fitted at the time the car was being built.

So if you wanted to improve the handling on a 550 and not make it quite as hard riding, putting on the FHP or HGTC springs and the HGTC (FHP no longer available) anti-roll bar, without fitting the Bilstein FHP shock ECU, would do it. Alternatively, leaving stock springs and anti-roll bar in place, the FHP shock ECU alone will measurably tighten up handling without affecting ride too much.

There is an amazing difference in how handling is affected by shock ECUs. This is especially evident in the 575M, where the first Sachs Sky Hook shock ECU was set up way too loosely. Quickly remedied, but a very worthwhile upgrade for early 575Ms is a later shock ECU. Bilstein seem to have gotten it correct on the first try with the 550 shock ECU for a reasonable compromise between ride and handling. The Mannesmann-Sachs shocks and actuators on the 575M, however, are much more robust and reliable than the Bilsteins on the 550.

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Seth- Welcome to Ferrari Life. In the 1999 timeframe, the Scaglietti options became available on 360s, the 456M, and the 550. Among these for the 550 was the FHP option. The Barchetta also had FHP as an option and I just saw one advertised the other day. Of interest is the caster setting, which is supposed to be fixed, but is in fact adjustable.
Thanks, Terry and other welcomers! When I got my 575 four years ago I would not have bought one without the FHP. I was really searching for a six-speed. Did find one but it was black/black that I really didn't want more than I wanted a 6-speed. Then drove an F1, took a small bit of getting used to but finally happy enough with it and found exactly the color combination I was looking for, blu TdF/cuoio and have been extremely happy with the choice. Did have a later opportunity to get a blu TdF/cuoio 550 6-speed (of course), believe it was from Steve Barney, and came close. I seem to like blu a lot, my 412GT is blu chiaro, F355b blu scuro micalizzato !!! - Maserati spyder blu nettuno and everyday CTS Cadillac is dark metallic blue. The sole deviant is a platinum STS-V. P.S. Terry, do you have a rough notion of the cost for an HGTC retrofit, suspension only?
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Just personal opinion but I would not put the FHP on a 550.
Thank you, Scott, appreciate your opinion!

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It all comes down to what parts of the system you put on a 550 or a 575M. The springs, anti-roll bar and hydraulic steering ECU are identical (same part numbers) on the 550 and 575M with FHP. The brakes were identical on FHP and non-FHP Maranellos except for the Pagid Orange 4-4 racing pads and Rosso Corsa paint..

The big difference in the two set-ups for the 575M and the 550 is the shock absorber ECU. There was a 550 FHP specific Bilstein shock ECU, while the FHP 575M came with whatever stock shock ECU was being fitted at the time the car was being built.

So if you wanted to improve the handling on a 550 and not make it quite as hard riding, putting on the FHP or HGTC springs and the HGTC (FHP no longer available) anti-roll bar, without fitting the Bilstein FHP shock ECU, would do it. Alternatively, leaving stock springs and anti-roll bar in place, the FHP shock ECU alone will measurably tighten up handling without affecting ride too much.

There is an amazing difference in how handling is affected by shock ECUs. This is especially evident in the 575M, where the first Sachs Sky Hook shock ECU was set up way too loosely. Quickly remedied, but a very worthwhile upgrade for early 575Ms is a later shock ECU. Bilstein seem to have gotten it correct on the first try with the 550 shock ECU for a reasonable compromise between ride and handling. The Mannesmann-Sachs shocks and actuators on the 575M, however, are much more robust and reliable than the Bilsteins on the 550.
Great and very detailed info, as always Taz, thank you. I think I'll call my mechanic tomorrow as he's working on my car right now and ask him about the ECU.

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And welcome to Flife, Seth, hope you enjoy the place!

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Seth- Unfortunately, prices have gone up on the FHP and HGTC components as owners have upgraded their systems. A couple of years ago, you could get a full set of HGTC springs for less than $1000, and now they are quite a bit more. I do not believe the anti-roll bar price; they were ~$400 a year or so ago. Thought the price was a misprint, but apparently not.

Front springs 208678 $481 each from Maranello Classic Parts (no price on Ricambi's site)
Rear Springs 208679 $291 " " "
Rear Anti-Roll Bar 210888 they must be joking $3400 from Ricambi and $1600 from Maranello
Roll Bar Bushings (2) 210897 $34 Ricambi, $20 Maranello
Steering ECU 175891 $955 Ricambi, $471 Maranello, Actually an FHP part.

Installation and suspension alignment $1000-1500 as a WAG so maybe some pros can chime in on that.

I think I would go aftermarket on the anti-roll bar at that price.

Give me your serial number or assembly number and I can make some recommendations on what might help.

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Seth- Unfortunately, prices have gone up on the FHP and HGTC components as owners have upgraded their systems.
Give me your serial number or assembly number and I can make some recommendations on what might help.
Terry, I'm perfectly happy with the handling of my 575, was simply curious. Looks about the cost of a major engine-out belt service on the 8-cylinder cars. Believe I may already have written you on FerrariChat that our 575's are more or less from the same litter! my ser #135463
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Just personal opinion but I would not put the FHP on a 550.
curious to learn why, boxer?
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Seth- Yes, very close, since mine is 135171. Your Assembly Number is after 52556, so you have the steering position sensor upgrade and the later shock ECU to go with the upgrade. So she should handle fine without FHP. Your car also came with the 50 amp F1 pump relay. If you give me your Assembly Number, I will add her to the small data base.
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Seth- Yes, very close, since mine is 135171. Your Assembly Number is after 52556, so you have the steering position sensor upgrade and the later shock ECU to go with the upgrade. So she should handle fine without FHP. Your car also came with the 50 amp F1 pump relay. If you give me your Assembly Number, I will add her to the small data base.
Handles excellently with FHP! Before I committed to buy my 575 I checked with Brian Milleman at FNA to confirm that the car was delivered with the Fiorano package. Would not have bought without. Can't give you the assembly number as the car is in winter hibernation at a location remote from here by about 32 miles. And it's snowing again after yesterday's crystal-clear low of -4 F (-20 C.)
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