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Time Magazine's The 50 Worst Cars of All Time

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1980 Ferrari Mondial 8


Even the legendary Italian sports car company whiffs once in a while, and the first Ferrari Mondial was a big red disaster. Based on the 308 chassis, this large and relatively heavy 2+2 coupe had a mere 214 hp on tap from its transversely mounted, mid-engine V8, and its transistor-based electronics had more bugs than a Barstow motel rollaway. Eventually, every single system would fail, not infrequently accompanied by the smell of burning wires. The factory-authorized service, meanwhile, was more like factory-authorized extortion. It hasn't helped the Mondial reputation that it was one of the "cheap" Ferraris, within reach of a reasonably successful orthodontist. Mondials eventually got much better. They could hardly get worse.

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The cars that made it into the top 50 from 1975 onwards

1975 Bricklin SV1
1975 Morgan Plus 8 Propane
1975 Triumph TR7
1975 Trabant
1976 Aston Martin Lagonda
1976 Chevy Chevette
1978 AMC Pacer
1980 Corvette 305 "California"
1980 Ferrari Mondial 8
1981 Cadillac Fleetwood V-8-6-4
1981 De Lorean DMC-12
1982 Cadillac Cimarron
1982 Camaro Iron Duke
1984 Maserati Biturbo
1985 Mosler Consulier GTP
1985 Yugo GV
1986 Lamborghini LM002
1995 Ford Explorer
1997 GM EV1
1997 Plymouth Prowler
1998 Fiat Multipla
2000 Ford Excursion
2001 Jaguar X-Type
2001 Pontiac Aztek
2002 BMW 7-series
2003 Hummer H2
2004 Chevy SSR

I don't know anything about American cars, so can't comment, but can see why it included the TR7, BMW 7 series, Yugo & Maserati BiTurbo.

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What I cannot understand is why the Austin 1100/1300 & the Allegro are not on there - they were universally appalling cars
Also very suprised that only one car I've owned has made it (the BiTurbo) - I thought I had far worse taste than that:thumbup:
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What I cannot understand is why the Austin 1100/1300 & the Allegro are not on there - they were universally appalling cars
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I thought there'd be more British Leyland cars on the list, Maxi, Marina, Princess, Allegro, Acclaim, Ambassador, most Triumph's. But maybe we are self critical and British cars aren't as bad as we think, and other nations, especially USA have much worse cars than we do.

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But maybe we are self critical and British cars aren't as bad as we think, and other nations, especially USA have much worse cars than we do.
Having owned a Marina I find that VERY difficult to believe
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I thought there'd be more British Leyland cars on the list, Maxi, Marina, Princess, Allegro, Acclaim, Ambassador, most Triumph's. But maybe we are self critical and British cars aren't as bad as we think, and other nations, especially USA have much worse cars than we do.
I am shocked that at least one TVR did not make the list. The Tuscan Speed 6 is a blisteringly fast car right up to the point when the engine implodes. The chassis was also set up to provide a constant series of surprises. The thing also looked like it belonged on Mars.
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I think it must have been an American survey, so I would imagine it's only based on cars that were available in the USA. No sure if TVR's ever sold there? Although didn't John Travolta drive one in a film recently?

TVR's wouldn't go on the list, anyone who buys a TVR knows full well that it will break down the first and every time you take it out, whereas the other cars were probably marketted on the basis that they were sound reliable and practical cars. Consequently they tend to be enthusiasts cars and they put up with all their annoying habits.
For the same reason, Lotus wouldn't be on there either.

I love the futuristic styling of the last Tuscan I also love the Griffith, Sagaris, Cerbera and Chimeara.

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The chevrolet SSR is a stupid vehicle but they are fun as hell to drive
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I love the futuristic styling of the last Tuscan I also love the Griffith, Sagaris, Cerbera and Chimeara.
This one recieved a bit of re-styling care of the owner having "one last blast" before it was supposed to come in to me for a a nice, straightforward repaint.
He'd driven that road in that car every day for several years, then one day TVR bit back
Obviously didn't want to be painted & pampered

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Fantastic looking car, even with the damage. Was it caused by the owner repeatedly kicking the front end when it wouldn't start

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Just love hearing stories about the TVR`s
Just recently sold my Chimeara 500
As you say , lethal , expensive to keep , guzzle juice
But having had one for two years
LOVED it and now Miss it big style
TVR`s are a love hate thing i reckon
Most people have a strong opinion either way
My Favourite name mentioned by a lot is so true
The " Widowmaker "

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Regarding TVR, I can only quote Jeremy Clarkson from the other thread:

"In the olden days I always got the impression that TVR built a car, put it on sale, and then found out how it handled. Usually when one of their customers wrote to the factory complaining about how dead he was."

It also surprised me that some of the cars are on the list because of social impact rather than lack of quality or design.

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Fantastic looking car, even with the damage. Was it caused by the owner repeatedly kicking the front end when it wouldn't start
No, more likely an alarm malfunction which locked him out of the car.
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Question, why is the Ferrari Mondial 8 and Hummer H2 there??????
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Question, why is the Ferrari Mondial 8 and Hummer H2 there??????
The H2 is garbage. It is just a Chevy Suburban with a different skin.

I think we should start our own top 50 worst cars list in the Driver's lounge, it will make for a good topic.
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What?! The MGA Twin Cam?! Nooooooo! That's one of my favorite cars of all time....

how sad...

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Question, why is the Ferrari Mondial 8 and Hummer H2 there??????
Because the Ferrari Modial 8 is one of the ugliest cars ever produced by man kind. I'd rather have a Gremlin.... but not an H2. That thing takes ugly to a new level. A whole NEW level that we won't discuss at length here....




it doesnt even matter how it was mechanically, it's THAT ugly...



It was a dark, dark time for us...

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I thought there'd be more British Leyland cars on the list, Maxi, Marina, Princess, Allegro, Acclaim, Ambassador, most Triumph's. But maybe we are self critical and British cars aren't as bad as we think, and other nations, especially USA have much worse cars than we do.
The biggest difference ( at least in my experience ) is that you can walk away from an American car and not drive it for a few weeks and it will start.
I am very fond of British cars, but if you dont drive them regularly enough....they learn to hate you....

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Because the Ferrari Modial 8 is one of the ugliest cars ever produced by man kind.
Its design is 'understated' for a Ferrari, somewhat like a GT4 when compared to a Dino/308 GTS but its not AMC Pacer/Yugo GV/FIAT Multipla ugly - they are really ugly, I mean seriously what were they thinking... that said I am not a big fan of the '8' either - the 't' well maybe could live with it , 214hp is a bit [email protected] really, I mean Pete's lawnmower probably has more power than that.

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The biggest difference ( at least in my experience ) is that you can walk away from an American car and not drive it for a few weeks and it will start.
I am very fond of British cars, but if you dont drive them regularly enough....they learn to hate you....
Very, very good point that.

I did some work on an early 80's RX7 Mazda some years ago - it had been sitting on the owners' drive for three years - un driven, un started & unloved. Yeah sure it was rusty in the early 80's Japanese car way - but with a new battery it started easily enough, the clutch still worked & more amazingly the brakes still worked Once welded & painted it sailed it's MOT with no mechanical work at all! If that had been an equivelant MG, Jag etc it would have needed a full mechanical recomission.
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