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Porsche Cayman vs. New Dino

Porsche Cayman, personally I think it is fairly okay, but compared to the new Ferrari Dino, a good competitor? Of course Ferrari has more "magic" for me. What is your opinion?

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Porsche Cayman, personally I think it is fairly okay, but compared to the new Ferrari Dino, a good competitor? Of course Ferrari has more "magic" for me. What is your opinion?

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new Ferrari Dino??? what?? where?? when??

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Well, since they have not announced a new Ferrari Dino yet, hard to have an opinion.
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Well, since they have not announced a new Ferrari Dino yet, hard to have an opinion.
I hadn't heard about a new "Dino" either, but I just found this :-

New Models: New Ferrari Dino under development
06 May 05 16:48


Ferrari 246 Dino
A successor to the popular 'entry-level' Ferrari 206/246 Dino of the late 1960s/early '70s is under development, reports independent enthusiasts' website italiaspeed.com. This will be in a similar spirit to the original - aimed specifically at the US market - and have a target price of around 100,000 euros. It will be positioned to compete against the likes of the Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Porsche 911 Carrera S.

Italiaspeed reports that the new Dino will have an all-new ultra-lightweight V6 engine, developing between 380bhp and 400bhp; this will also be used in the next-generation Maserati Coupe and Spyder, and could even feature in top-end Alfa Romeo models by the end of the decade. This engine will be mid-mounted in an aluminium spaceframe structure, developed by specialist firm Alcoa, which also worked on the bodies of the 360 Modena, F430 and 612 Scaglietti Ferraris. Styling will be by Pininfarina, and this is expected to take a gently retro theme reviving memories of the earlier Dino.

There have been further, and conflicting, reports that the new entry-level Ferrari will share a version of the 'Premium' Alfa 159/Brera platform with the next-generation Maserati Spyder; this so-called 'Project California' would produce an even cheaper Ferrari, though of course, these things are relative& However, Ferrari is said to be extremely concerned that such a model could devalue its brand, and the stand-alone Dino is the more likely outcome. A concept is expected to make its debut in 2007
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The "Project California" has a V8 so would not really be a Dino replacement if you go with the original V6 configuration, but of course the 308's were Dinos too. I think the Dino comparison is just because it would be an entry level Ferrari. Still can't afford one !!
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canīt wait to see it!!

but with 400hp vs 285hp of the Cayman, they are not going to compete with each other...

I guess the Carrera S is going to be the opponent, as the text said

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The Cayman is a beautiful car and has very sensual lines.
Also looks great in SILVER!

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Re: Porsche Cayman vs. New Dino

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Porsche Cayman, personally I think it is fairly okay, but compared to the new Ferrari Dino, a good competitor? Of course Ferrari has more "magic" for me. What is your opinion?

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They will be in different market segment. The new Dino will be pitched against the 911 Carrera.
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Porsche Cayman, personally I think it is fairly okay, but compared to the new Ferrari Dino, a good competitor? Of course Ferrari has more "magic" for me. What is your opinion?

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They will be in different market segment. The new Dino will be pitched against the 911 Carrera.
Okay, 911 Carrera vs New Dino?

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I canīt say before the car is released

the Ferrari will have more HPīs, I think

but the Porsches do great in track with less power (see Le Mans this year...)

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Well, since they have not announced a new Ferrari Dino yet, hard to have an opinion.
I hadn't heard about a new "Dino" either, but I just found this :-

New Models: New Ferrari Dino under development
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Ferrari 246 Dino
This will be in a similar spirit to the original - aimed specifically at the US market - and have a target price of around 100,000 euros. It will be positioned to compete against the likes of the Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Porsche 911 Carrera S.

Italiaspeed reports that the new Dino will have an all-new ultra-lightweight V6 engine, developing between 380bhp and 400bhp;
Lets try and break this down a little further!

The upcoming Ferrari 246 Dino is 100,000 Euro = 128,210 USD @ 1.2821 currency exchange rate and comes with 380-400bhp.

The Corvette C6 Z06 (Nicely Equipped) is 53584 Euro = 68,700 USD @ 1.2821 currency exchange rate and comes with 442 rwhp or 500 to the crank/flywheel.

If money is no object, the go for the overpriced Ferrari. If you're lookin for REAL speed and performance at a fraction of the cost, I'd put my money on the Vette without a doubt. Afterall, the C5-R has been taking first place at Le Mans for quite some time now. Just my humble opinion!
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Sometimes it's not about who has the most horsepower.
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Sometimes it's not about who has the most horsepower.
I wasn't only pointing out the horsepower. Read the message carefully...
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Have you seen the Top Gear segment on the Corvette ?
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Sometimes it's not about who has the most horsepower.
I wasn't only pointing out the horsepower. Read the message carefully...
Sometimes its just about personal taste. Being a Ferrari forum I think most people on here have a taste for Ferraris, I know I have. But my taste extends to a vaste range of cars. I love Vettes, Cobras, Astons, Jags, Lambos, etc, etc. The most fun I've had in a car (driving ) was many years ago in my Mum's Fiat 126. A stretch of road where I live has five roundabouts with short stretches of road in between. Great fun overtaking the guys with the horsepower on the roundabouts and then watch them power past on the straights only to get overtaken again on the roundabouts. That was a car which always put a smile on my face. Sometimes its just about making the most of what you've got.
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Have you seen the Top Gear segment on the Corvette ?
Let me hear your side, before I rebuttle. Just for the sake of sharing our difference of opinion/knowledge if any at all.
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Looks like a shrank F430

So Ferrari may be thinking of a "new" Dino ? At least from those pics, looks like a shrank F430 to me. Even with all the HPs, it is still a modern computer controlled car. Not that I am against more HPs, however, more HPs means bigger heavier brakes, etc. etc. which to me is negative factors. Unfortunately, if I may make a bold statement,...all modern cars are too much of computers. You are not "driving" and "enjoying" the car. Instead, you are "driven" by the car and all that electronics underneath. It gives you the false sense that you are controlling all that power. This can go on endless, so I'll stop for now.
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Re: Looks like a shrank F430

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So Ferrari may be thinking of a "new" Dino ? At least from those pics, looks like a shrank F430 to me. Even with all the HPs, it is still a modern computer controlled car. Not that I am against more HPs, however, more HPs means bigger heavier brakes, etc. etc. which to me is negative factors. Unfortunately, if I may make a bold statement,...all modern cars are too much of computers. You are not "driving" and "enjoying" the car. Instead, you are "driven" by the car and all that electronics underneath. It gives you the false sense that you are controlling all that power. This can go on endless, so I'll stop for now.
I parcially agree with you

and thatīs why I love the F40 so much

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Sometimes it's not about who has the most horsepower.
I wasn't only pointing out the horsepower. Read the message carefully...
Sometimes its just about personal taste. Being a Ferrari forum I think most people on here have a taste for Ferraris, I know I have. But my taste extends to a vaste range of cars. I love Vettes, Cobras, Astons, Jags, Lambos, etc, etc. The most fun I've had in a car (driving ) was many years ago in my Mum's Fiat 126. A stretch of road where I live has five roundabouts with short stretches of road in between. Great fun overtaking the guys with the horsepower on the roundabouts and then watch them power past on the straights only to get overtaken again on the roundabouts. That was a car which always put a smile on my face. Sometimes its just about making the most of what you've got.
I still dont think I'm being understood here. I'm merely pointing out that if MONEY is of no object to a consumer who has tons of it, then by all means, go with the Ferrari for sake of saying "I own a Ferrari". However, if a wealthy "Smart" consumer knows how to extend the Dollar, then there are other alternatives. Here's an Example Just as you stated, there are Vipers, Vettes, Jags, etc... for much less that can perform just as well as a Ferrari. Of course there will be biased opinions here considering its a "Ferrari Forum" but it's not the greatest car on the planet. Seriously! It's ok to admit that the Ferrari Dino is a prime example of a car that is overpriced for what you're getting. Don't misunderstand me! I have always liked the world of exotics, but LOVE having coin in my pocket a bit more.
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I think you are fully understood. Ferraris aren't cheap. Ferraris aren't the ultimate car. Something will always outperform a Ferrari. Don't particularly care. I like Ferraris and I like other cars. I buy what I can afford and I joined this forum because I like sharing my thoughts with other people who like Ferraris. Can't be bothered arguing over whos toys are best.
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