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We're reprograming our KERS so that on the road it can charge from the motor as on the road there's not enough braking. It can be switched back to race/recapture mode from the steering wheel.
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Exciting, with its clearance can it actually be driven in many real world locations outside of a track?

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Very ingenious. Would be handy for production cars later, except possiby with automatic switching.

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Exciting, with its clearance can it actually be driven in many real world locations outside of a track?

To run the 24 Hours of Nurburgring you need high (4.5inches) clearance so road use isn't an issue. The issue on all of these cars is front overhang. We have front and rear lifters for speed bumps and skid pads that clear all body panels and put the load directly on the chassis so kissing the underside of the nose isn't an issue. At the Ring you also have to run soft as it's very bumpy and sometimes you fly for a bit.


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What we doing now is testing different charging times and usage time as the more you use it the more you need to charge and you don't want to waste petrol/power charging if you don't need it. At the 24 we made about 50HP for 50s just by recapturing via braking.


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Jim- She sure is pretty and that is a great photo. Reminds me of the P3s and P4s, which I am sure was somewhat intentional. She would make a great street car except for all the DOT restrictions.

That is a lot of free hp.

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Jim- She sure is pretty and that is a great photo. Reminds me of the P3s and P4s, which I am sure was somewhat intentional. She would make a great street car except for all the DOT restrictions.

That is a lot of free hp.
Our new one which we'll debut at Geneva in 2015 and race the 24 in 2015 may include customer cars which will be road legal in Europe/Mideast/China and possibly in the US as a Kit/Homebuilt. If we can sell some customer cars we'll try to holomagate and race Le Mans. Our new one will be very light weight with a TTV6 and LMP1 as GT.

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Jim- Look forward to that.

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Just wondering how long the brushes last, if that's the way it's done?

and forgot, you are using a capacitance system or battery like storage.

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Just wondering how long the brushes last, if that's the way it's done?

and forgot, you are using a capacitance system or battery like storage.
Brushes?

Batteries.

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Our new one which we'll debut at Geneva in 2015 and race the 24 in 2015 may include customer cars which will be road legal in Europe/Mideast/China and possibly in the US as a Kit/Homebuilt. If we can sell some customer cars we'll try to holomagate and race Le Mans. Our new one will be very light weight with a TTV6 and LMP1 as GT.
Sounds like a business plan somewhere between Enzo Ferrari, Giotto Bizzarrini and Count Volpi! I like it.
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So in essence the car was running a regeneration system like La Ferrari is running?


Which begs the question with only charging under braking how long could one run the car at full throttle before the batteries were totally drained. I would imagine its an unlikely scenario unless one were to run the car on hugely long air strip.
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So in essence the car was running a regeneration system like La Ferrari is running?


Which begs the question with only charging under braking how long could one run the car at full throttle before the batteries were totally drained. I would imagine its an unlikely scenario unless one were to run the car on hugely long air strip.

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Think about it this way. There is no free lunch. KERS recaptures Kinetic Energy that would otherwise be turned into heat energy to brake the car. When racing there is a lot of braking and we were able to recapture about 50 seconds of 50 HP lap after lap. On the road there is not enough braking to recapture so P1/918/ and La Ferrari all use petrol HP to charge their hybrid batteries. The no free lunch part is that when using petrol HP to produce electrical charge there is less overall HP to drive the car so all petrol recharging systems try to charge only when not under full throttle, While P1/918/La Ferrari could pre-charge and run a hot lap they can NOT run at FULL HP lap after lap. On the road we've engineered our system to use petrol HP to recharge when full HP isn't needed but on the track we can switch back from the cockpit to race KERS.


So far no other manufacturer has won one of these.


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Think about it this way. There is no free lunch. KERS recaptures Kinetic Energy that would otherwise be turned into heat energy to brake the car. When racing there is a lot of braking and we were able to recapture about 50 seconds of 50 HP lap after lap. On the road there is not enough braking to recapture so P1/918/ and La Ferrari all use petrol HP to charge their hybrid batteries. The no free lunch part is that when using petrol HP to produce electrical charge there is less overall HP to drive the car so all petrol recharging systems try to charge only when not under full throttle, While P1/918/La Ferrari could pre-charge and run a hot lap they can NOT run at FULL HP lap after lap. On the road we've engineered our system to use petrol HP to recharge when full HP isn't needed but on the track we can switch back from the cockpit to race KERS.


So far no other manufacturer has won one of these.


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Very interesting, in the sense that the current crop of hyper cars are actually quite "compromised" in the way they are using the battery packs (using HP to charge the packs) but maybe its a compromise that is appropriate for a road car and is probably one of the most singular reasons why none of them could be raced without significant redevelopment.


Aside from the fact of course that all road cars are fundamentally compromised to make them suitable for the average owners on the average road.
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Testing went very well. What a Race Car. What a Road Car!
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