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The new California T!

This is an incredible improvement! I like every bit of it. Oh, did I mention 557 lb ft?

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Fantastic car! Ferrari is going in a good direction with their "new" generation cars.
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Anyone have a side by side shot of the new and old Cali?
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I wonder if it's a twin turbo with multiple scrolls per turbo (min. 2)? If so it would help me to understand their claim of none existence turbo lag a big more.

thank you for sharing.
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Anyone have a side by side shot of the new and old Cali?

here is a side by side with the bimmer. kinda look the same.



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here is a side by side with the bimmer. kinda look the same.
Doesn't look much different from that angle.
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Good looking car. Just strange that Mr. Felisa told in an interview some weeks/months ago, that they hardly ever again will build turbo charged street cars. Maybe I misunderstood that ?!
With that, the future GT 2 seater will easily be at 1000 HP ;-) (Since the California now already almost has "Speciale" power !

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Good looking car. Just strange that Mr. Felisa told in an interview some weeks/months ago, that they hardly ever again will build turbo charged street cars. Maybe I misunderstood that ?!
With that, the future GT 2 seater will easily be at 1000 HP ;-) (Since the California now already almost has "Speciale" power !
They have been forced to go with turbo out of efficiency demands. What they have done so far with their atmospheric engines is pure magic. The next level is exhaust driven supercharging (turbo) and The Cali is the first one out. Mechanically driven supercharging (compressor) is nicer cause it's more linear and responsive but it isn't as efficient as exhaust driven supercharging and the continuously rising emission requirements will demand this. I guess Ferrari has already learnt a lot from their F1 turbo engines which I guess is why they are relatively early with applying their turbo knowledge on the Cali.

The crisp immediate response from an atmospheric Ferrari engine is still king to me. Although I shall say nothing until somebody has tried the first new turbo Cali. Facts remain though; a mechanical compressor is direct in an absolute technical way. The exhaust drive of a compressor is technically not totally direct. There is a lot more going on from depressing the accelerator to actual increased filling of the combustion chamber - fact. Now, technology has advanced immensely to mask the lag. Will it be masked enough for us Ferrari engine spoilt people not to notice? The only way to find out is to try a new turbo Cali and then jump straight into an F12 and compare crispness. I will not do it cause I'm over it but I am interested on a technical level to hear about your impressions. My craving for the latest stopped with my F430. I think it's a tremendous Ferrari which feels "alive" and it is already way too quick for what is healthy for my driver licence. It's when I swap from my classics that I realize that the 430 is actually too powerful for legality. It isn't too powerful to handle, just too powerful for the legal road. This brings me to your last comment, 212; will there be a one thousand hp Ferrari next? - No doubt! Will it "chain smoke" its extremely expensive tyres? - No doubt! Will it smoke driver licences? - No doubt! Will it ruin the 22" rims in the pot holes? - No doubt! Will it bottom out the nose into the tarmac on the mountain roads? - No doubt! Will it still be quite heavy? - No doubt! Will just about any tw4t be able to drive it fast thanks to the electronics? - No doubt! Nuff said...

The Cali has round lines which is a plus for me. It's the last Ferrari to have it, so far.

The Cali is now "only" plus one hundred kilos heavier than a 430 Spider but it still appears a bit big in my opinion. If I were on the market for a new Ferrari today it would be the Speciale, not even maybe. But I can see how the new Cali is a great concept for someone who definitely wants only one Ferrari. It is tremendously capable and versatile. It's a berlinetta, it's a convertible, it's stylish, it's very powerful, it's new with a seven year maintenance warranty, you can fit two pairs of bird guns and luggage for two persons to go on a bird shoot for the weekend, it has a Ferrari badge, etc. It really does tick a lot of boxes and it will sell well, particularly in California. Would I buy one? - No.

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The crisp immediate response from an atmospheric Ferrari engine is still king to me.
Well, the turbo in an F-40 certainly gets my thumbs up. But overall I agree with you, the atmospheric engines of Ferrari have something magical. And of course the turbo experience in a Cali will be nothing like the Victorian Steam Engine type drama of the F-40.

I think the new California is a massive improvement on looks, and it is certainly ridiculously fast for a Maserati . I wouldn't buy one because I'm not big into convertibles but I think I could live with this one if someone gave it to me, whereas I couldn't with the previous one. Well done Ferrari.

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Yes, it does look very good. And yes, there are issues with turbos, but if there is as claimed "zero turbo lag", then that may be a seriously nice car. I do like convertibles, so yes, I would buy it, were it not for one minor problem - .

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Also note that torque number (556 lb-ft) mentioned earlier is more than the F12 or FF has. There are lots of tricks now to cut down on turbo lag. On the new Mercedes V8s, you cannot feel lag at all. Would imagine Ferrari knows all those tricks, too.

Have not heard, but hope it retains the flat plane crank.

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I personally would rather have a supercharger...Then you don't have to worry about lag at all. It solves all problems. Just my .02 cents.
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Cutter- Superchargers eat hp since they feed directly off the engine. Turbochargers are more or less free pressurization, and the lag problem has long since been licked.

The superchargers on the ZR1 and the new Z06 (2.3 liters and 1.7 liters respectively) displace more than most European car engines. OK for 6.2 liter engines, but not as easy to pull with a 3.8 liter engine.

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Over 800 select Prancing Horse clients have been given the unique privilege of attending the world preview of Maranello's latest-born model, the California T. The unveiling ceremony took place over two emotion-charged evenings at the Casa Natale Enzo Ferrari Museum.

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I personally would rather have a supercharger...Then you don't have to worry about lag at all. It solves all problems. Just my .02 cents.
If only it were that simple! Unfortunately, superchargers are nowhere near as effective as turbos in addressing emissions issues.

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This V8 engine is derived from the new V8 quatroporte GTS, see the similar design of cover valve and cranckase ....
On QP he have 520 HP and 710 Nm on the Cali 560 HP and 770 Nm ... this is the standardization .....
Personally I prefer the aspirated engine ....
And about the pollution and comsumption there is lot of fog .... The brands want to declare low comsumption and with a turbo engine is easier in front of an aspirated engine of same power ...
The comsumption is obtained by test bench procedure,totally different to the usually car driver ....
After that you buy a new power car with low comsumption and what happens? The real comsumption is too different to the declared ....
ahahaha fog ....
In europe is this ..... but i know that the future can not stop ....

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If only it were that simple! Unfortunately, superchargers are nowhere near as effective as turbos in addressing emissions issues.
In that case, I would rather have a naturally aspirated engine. Having a turbo for emission reasons and more HP is not my thing. Again, just my opinion.
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Turbocharged or supercharged?








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