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test drive..Scud then Speciale..impressions.



Went with a friend to Niki in Basel. My friend is in the process of thinking to buy his first Ferrari and I’m happy to assist. No question, Niki Hasler is the place to go.First we test drove the Scud, fast, very mechanical hammer man job on 10 Celsius outside temp. including autobahn, hilly and bended road with lots of chances to quick gearshift and brake test maneuvering. 50 – 60 km in total for each car.
The Scud is a classic already, wonderful, really wonderful to have it experienced again. Quick, hard, exact…Scud Feeling as we know it.
Then the Speciale, calmer under low rpm warm up, not too much mechanical senses in the beginning. Once warm, blindingly fierce/fast acceleration, more, much more road stability under fierceful throttle useage, stronger brake deceleration, you fly towards the curve like a Jet and have more control on the following braking/down shifting process. You are much, much faster than in the Scud although the „mechanical senses“ of the Scud makes you believe that the vast difference is less, but that feeling is pure subjectivity. Acceleration in the curve while upshifting is way more stable with the Speciale than with the Scud which kind of „jump’s/slides“ slightly under hard acceleration/up gear shifting and gets more nervous on the back axle naturally so. Great stability on both cars when braking late into the corner but Speciale is another animal….huge sense of security difference (only sense…no... it‘s real). Speciale hangs more aggressiv on the throttle and the way up the rpm meter evolves faster up to 8‘ rpm which was our max. today as road temperature was not so high to exploit the limit nearly. Until 4 rpm’s could be driven like S-Class, 4 to 6‘ like the 458 Italia, but above that, the Speciale explodes to a blizzard.
Conclusion: Speciale brought me the sensations of the F12 in 8 cylinder form (and you know how much I love the F12), Scuderia is wonderful and will get you many of the senses of the Speciale and mechanical wise some more but then misses some more which the Speciale gives you, like speed, better control, better brakes, better roadholding……..uuuhhh!
My friend has a Problem as he thought a Scud buy would economically make more sense when we arrived there, but ....the emotions, the emotions. What a car. Dangerous, very dangerous to fall.

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Excellent write up. Thank you 212!

I'm sure the Speciale will drop to the €100K mark just like the Challange Stradale did and Scud is doing. But I can understand the 'emotion' in the decision never necessarily makes the final decision one of pure logic....

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If you are smitten, then buy a used F12 and a Scuderia. It will likely cost less than a new 458 Speciale.
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212- Sounds like a fun day. What did your friend decide to buy?

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Nice write up

But ... the rubber on the Scud even if new is not the same as the Speciale.

Try running comparable tires and my guess is that same confidence would be there if not more.

Toss on a Capristo / ECU's and that Scud will perform better than that Speciale. The 458 is a phenomenal car over the 430 but the Scud vs the Speciale ... not so sure.
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If you are smitten, then buy a used F12 and a Scuderia. It will likely cost less than a new 458 Speciale.
Not really a fact: speziale with my options 299 ' Swiss, f12 with my options used atm 290' Swiss, Good Scud 15-20' k's costs 140' Swiss atm! Back to you

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212- Sounds like a fun day. What did your friend decide to buy?
He was sure to go home with a used Scud.....now his brain is all over the place......without a decision yet...

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Nice write up

But ... the rubber on the Scud even if new is not the same as the Speciale.

Try running comparable tires and my guess is that same confidence would be there if not more.

Toss on a Capristo / ECU's and that Scud will perform better than that Speciale. The 458 is a phenomenal car over the 430 but the Scud vs the Speciale ... not so sure.
Yes, the rubber surely is a very important point ......but the pure speed Doug, the speed....!
Reread my Initial F12 report. I was over the moon and those here who have driven one confirmed it. ( please correct if my Impression is wrong) with the Speciale it is ..well Kind of the same but 8 cylinder wise.
As a classic fan, i'm not giving Speed and modernity to much importance....but the Speciale is so impressiv....... Yes, I'm impressed.

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Yes, the rubber surely is a very important point ......but the pure speed Doug, the speed....!
Reread my Initial F12 report. I was over the moon and those here who have driven one confirmed it. ( please correct if my Impression is wrong) with the Speciale it is ..well Kind of the same but 8 cylinder wise.
As a classic fan, i'm not giving Speed and modernity to much importance....but the Speciale is so impressiv....... Yes, I'm impressed.
I love speed too but went a different direction to get it.

Completely recall the review as it was equally impressive - but for me it's about torque and where it's found in the higher revs and the gear change ... it's the gear change!

It comes down to one thing - you didn't want it and my guess is you will own a Scud sooner than a Speciale especially when your buddy buys one.

Either way these are good problems and keep us posted on the results.
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I love speed too but went a different direction to get it.

Completely recall the review as it was equally impressive - but for me it's about torque and where it's found in the higher revs and the gear change ... it's the gear change!

It comes down to one thing - you didn't want it and my guess is you will own a Scud sooner than a Speciale especially when your buddy buys one.

Either way these are good problems and keep us posted on the results.
Yes Doug, the Hammer man.....!
Should speed replaced that ? Maybe not, especially at my age !

But I'm impressed by the Speciale, more, way more than I thought.

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Not really a fact: speziale with my options 299 ' Swiss, f12 with my options used atm 290' Swiss, Good Scud 15-20' k's costs 140' Swiss atm! Back to you
Give it 6 to 12 months
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great write up! I am considering a Scud vs 458 base, but maybe I should consider the Speciale in a couple of years

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great write up! I am considering a Scud vs 458 base, but maybe I should consider the Speciale in a couple of years


Yes, I guess every rational Person would say "Get a Scud and Switch to the Speciale in 4-5 years" !? But after all who is imune against emotions...specially here....

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Yes Doug, the Hammer man.....!
Should speed replaced that ? Maybe not, especially at my age !

But I'm impressed by the Speciale, more, way more than I thought.
Age - c'mon these are the things that keep us young

It's a beautiful Ferrari but it's unlimited like the Scud was but these are different times so 3000 maybe more vs 1700 Scuds or 600+ 16M's the value isn't there for me.

The Speciale reminds me of the 08 Scud vs the 09 - my guess is the extra cf will come and I still believe there is another model to come perhaps two if they do a Spider and those I assume will be limited.

Patience is a virtue - but we only live once ... I will wait for Treynor to sell
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Age - c'mon these are the things that keep us young

It's a beautiful Ferrari but it's unlimited like the Scud was but these are different times so 3000 maybe more vs 1700 Scuds or 600+ 16M's the value isn't there for me.

The Speciale reminds me of the 08 Scud vs the 09 - my guess is the extra cf will come and I still believe there is another model to come perhaps two if they do a Spider and those I assume will be limited.

Patience is a virtue - but we only live once ... I will wait for Treynor to sell
Thanks Doug, now there is still Hope for me
I agree on the unlimited Argument, Sadly so.

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Lovely write-up. Badly want to drive one myself but I will wait for better weather.


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Excellent write up. Thank you 212!

I'm sure the Speciale will drop to the €100K mark just like the Challange Stradale did and Scud is doing. But I can understand the 'emotion' in the decision never necessarily makes the final decision one of pure logic....
Not so sure about that. When the CS came out, a new Porsche Turbo S was not 185K USD...there has been quite a bit of sports car/luxury car inflation since then..
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a new Porsche Turbo S was not 185K USD...
It was over here in Holland, current new price is $310k base price....

But I agree that there has been a fair bit of inflation, and €100k may be a bit optimistic.


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