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Did Ferrari use Cadillac suspension?

I have a family member that insist's that Ferrari use Cadillac suspension in the 458. Is this true? Or is this just another car company "bending" words to fit what they want people to believe?
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I'm going to have to test drive a CTS now.

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Cadillac suspension...NO way


Magnetic ride control technology as used by Cadillac and others... Yes


There is a difference between a suspension and the technology used in developing a suspension system

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They share the same O2 sensor technology as well
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I have a family member that insist's that Ferrari use Cadillac suspension in the 458. Is this true? Or is this just another car company "bending" words to fit what they want people to believe?

Delphi, a GM subdivision invented the magnetic shock absorbers for Cadillac. It's a great technology and Ferrari is using it. Ferrari uses quite a few other Delphi products as well and have for some time.

Three things about this should be no surprise to anyone who is a student of auto history.

One, a manufacturer as small as Ferrari buys a great deal of the parts and systems for their cars from other suppliers. They can't possibly make it all. Even Toyota and GM buy many parts from outside suppliers.

Two, Ferrari has developed almost nothing in the auto industry. In fact the F1 transmission is the only thing that comes to mind right now and they contracted that out.

And last, as one of the biggest and oldest in the auto industry, GM has a great many firsts to their name. They are not a small niche builder of expensive cars but they are in the top two or three in getting the automobile from where it started with Gottlieb Daimler to where it is today.
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Great information to share!

Lotus also shares quite the engineering arm sharing credit for the McPherson/Chapman strut, sound cancellation technology as well as various forms of active suspension dampening. Although this may be argumentative, I believe that they developed the "oil leak."

Didn't Corvette work with Lotus Brian on one of their multi-valve cylinder head designs...?

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Great information to share!


Didn't Corvette work with Lotus Brian on one of their multi-valve cylinder head designs...?

1990 ZR1 motor. GM/Lotus design. Mercury Marine built.

Vega 4V was a Cosworth design.


The "Pent Roof" combustion chamber design was trade marked by Honda Motorcycles in the 80's to make it sound like they invented it. Cosworth really made it famous but it dates back to 1910 or so and was invented by Peugeot.

Timing belts were invented by the L.H. Gilmer Co. in 1940. The linked drive chain very much like we are familiar with today was first designed buy a guy named Da Vinci

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Thanks guys for somewhat clearing this up.
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Simply put your "family member" was correct although there are some technicalities with the use of the word suspension. Ferrari's suspension is dependent on the GM developed technology as used in Cadillac.
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Great information to share!

Lotus also shares quite the engineering arm sharing credit for the McPherson/Chapman strut, sound cancellation technology as well as various forms of active suspension dampening. Although this may be argumentative, I believe that they developed the "oil leak."

Didn't Corvette work with Lotus Brian on one of their multi-valve cylinder head designs...?
David, as Brian said, the motor came in the 1990 ZR1 Corvette and Chevy gave it the LT5 designation. It wasn't very popular with the dealers as it had the cams in the wrong places and it had 3 more than they were used to! One turned up at an engine builder buddy's shop back in 2010 and I snapped a few pics of it below. Supposedly, the cams needed timing and none of the dealers wanted to touch it, so it was sent to Dennis to sort out. Beautiful motor:
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It was the late Sir Henry Royce who said "Take the best that exists and make it better: when it does not exist, design it". Or, to put it another way, "why reinvent the wheel?"

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I'm not sure I would have wanted a GM dealer tech setting that engine up either. There were of course a few guys that were really on point, but most of them were just good enough. Those American car dealer guys never like "weird" stuff either.


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Delphi, a GM subdivision invented the magnetic shock absorbers for Cadillac. It's a great technology and Ferrari is using it. Ferrari uses quite a few other Delphi products as well and have for some time.

Three things about this should be no surprise to anyone who is a student of auto history.

One, a manufacturer as small as Ferrari buys a great deal of the parts and systems for their cars from other suppliers. They can't possibly make it all. Even Toyota and GM buy many parts from outside suppliers.

Two, Ferrari has developed almost nothing in the auto industry. In fact the F1 transmission is the only thing that comes to mind right now and they contracted that out.

And last, as one of the biggest and oldest in the auto industry, GM has a great many firsts to their name. They are not a small niche builder of expensive cars but they are in the top two or three in getting the automobile from where it started with Gottlieb Daimler to where it is today.
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Looks like the Ferrari shares the Door vent window with that Caddy
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