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I really need to vent!

Not going to post a link from Ferrari Chat - someone else feel free.

But anyone who wants to go read it feel free to go look under the Challenge Car section where a horrible accident was posted.

RL - not only took issue where he clearly had ZERO place to do so but went onto criticize and offend a lot of people two of which sent me the link.

If I were Ferrari that site would be closed and we would all be better off for it - especially after stating that the Challenge series is a sub standard run organization vs SCCA.

I get the fact he thought he is / was hot shit as a race car driver but admittedly quit only to offend as a naive retired racer driving a 355 Challenge Car. Then continues to post and tell people the way it is in the kitchen and if you can't handle the heat get out. Goes on to state he has retired due to the stupidity of other drivers - those are his words.

To the two guys who sent me this Thanks for reminding of what a black hole that site is.

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I just have to say WOW he survived that crash !?!?!?!?

A lot of the criticism is really unwarranted, I can understand the white sheets, they likely thought they were picking up a body after that crash, 20 second response time seems reasonable to me. I guess it might not if I was the one in the car but he did go overboard.

What I would like to know is what caused the car to steer into the wall, did something break ? Glad he and the track worker both survived.
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Hey Doug,
Breathe deeply and repeat after me

"RL isn't worth my electrons."

Don't even get Wetpet started on the topic

I've never come across anyone nearly as toxic or narcissistic as RL.

Feel better now buddy? I understand how you feel.

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I just have to say WOW he survived that crash !?!?!?!?

A lot of the criticism is really unwarranted, I can understand the white sheets, they likely thought they were picking up a body after that crash, 20 second response time seems reasonable to me. I guess it might not if I was the one in the car but he did go overboard.

What I would like to know is what caused the car to steer into the wall, did something break ? Glad he and the track worker both survived.
It was a heated race and I believe the racer didn't realize it was over until it was too late - in other words he was still racing when the checkered flag came out.

Agree that it is amazing both were ok - which speaks volumes to how far safety in racing has evolved.

Hardly a time to grandstand when two people were seriously injured in a Ferrari Challenge Race.

Honestly shocked over the words written - we are a community that should as a whole pull together in these situations.

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Hey Doug,
Breathe deeply and repeat after me

"RL isn't worth my electrons."

Don't even get Wetpet started on the topic

I've never come across anyone nearly as toxic or narcissistic as RL.

Feel better now buddy? I understand how you feel.

Consider the source and encourage your friends to join us here at FL.
Given the source I feel fine ... but I appreciate the words

Look - fact is the Ferrari World is community that's going to be part of me for the rest of my life.

The cream always rises to the top so this place will be more than fine - but in all honestly til today I never realized how obtuse the man is.
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Doug, being a relatively new member of the CCR family too I wonder if RL's comments in May show how disconnected he is to reality. I would guess most CCR members take the SCCA route to getting a racing license, yes?

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Doug, being a relatively new member of the CCR family too I wonder if RL's comments in May show how disconnected he is to reality. I would guess most CCR members take the SCCA route to getting a racing license, yes?
Disconnected as I have ever seen at a time when we should be grateful.

We all know what we are getting into when we enter the track as competitors but no one wishes ill for anyone - let alone ripping the people we rely on as racers to save our lives.

The one guy who pulled over was a very good friend of the injured driver and didn't do anything you or I would not have done - RL rips on him too.

CCR - is gentlemans racing with some experience required along with a good health report and a registered Challenge Car.

The accident was 458 Challenge Car Racing - and as we all know accidents happen and it's easy to judge the replay.

If you would like I can forward you the drivers application.
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Doug, I am in no pisition to participate in this, but hope you are decompressed a bit !

w/ smiles

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Doug, I am in no pisition to participate in this, but hope you are decompressed a bit !

w/ smiles

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Jimmy fully decompressed - as you hit the nail on the head.

No one is in a position to participate without 100% knowing what took place.
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I guess if one of the drivers was a FC sponsor, the words out of RL's mouth might have been different....
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I guess if one of the drivers was a FC sponsor, the words out of RL's mouth might have been different....
David - if it weren't for the few posts redirecting if's presence it would have bothered me ... sad to say you are correct.
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that thread is 5 months old! pay attention Dougie

btw I agree with Rob on that one, that accident should never have happened.

anyway to you CCR guys, I know of another 360C coming up for sale soon, never raced.....

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Never tracked 360C - cool. Share in the challenge car thread when it's available.

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Chas- Must be Chad's.
yessir.

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but in all honestly til today I never realized how obtuse the man is.


Not really a surprise to me. He and I met face to face once at a race when he had his 355C. He had no idea who I was and within about 30 seconds had managed to piss me off when offering some help with some paperwork. He managed to show quite a few there that day what a total A H he is.


Just spreads the joy wherever he goes.
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Don't know Rob Lay (let's just call him by his name, shall we?), and I frankly I have been a little irritated by the amount of time spend on discussing him on this site. Surely we can discuss more interesting (and fun) things? That said....

I was sufficiently intrigued in this case. It took me a long time to find the thread in question. When I did, I realised I had seen the crash video several months ago - really scary.

I think Wayne from Hong Kong formulated my opinion of Rob's posts well.

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I am a little versed in racing as well. Been racing internationally for over ten years and currently hold an FIA International A license.

I disagree with the way you post your views. I'll leave it like that.
The driver in question was last reported in coma. No-one asked later on if he managed to get out of it. Reactions are very cold, like a human life doesn't mean a thing. People make mistakes. In hindsight, and/or from the sideline, it is easy to judge. Things happen quickly in motor racing, and consequences can be dire. That doesn't mean that someone is stupid. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be on the race track. It can just as easy have been a genuine, once-off, mistake by a very experienced driver.

I like Doug's sentiment that we should stick together more and be more supportive. But unfortunately, racing feeds the inner child and adrenalin-pumped thinking (well, not really thinking at all). It all gets emotional very quickly, and people lose sight of context. Likely they have made very stupid mistakes too but conveniently forget them. A little self reflection would serve everyone well.

It's all a very sad story, and I hope the driver has recovered well in the past 5 months.


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that thread is 5 months old! pay attention Dougie

btw I agree with Rob on that one, that accident should never have happened.

anyway to you CCR guys, I know of another 360C coming up for sale soon, never raced.....
C'mon Chas - define accident.

Would be interested to see the Challenge Car.
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Not really a surprise to me. He and I met face to face once at a race when he had his 355C. He had no idea who I was and within about 30 seconds had managed to piss me off when offering some help with some paperwork. He managed to show quite a few there that day what a total A H he is.


Just spreads the joy wherever he goes.
Perhaps that's the real reason he stopped racing and doesn't go to any events.

Onno - agree and most of all wish everyone the best it's the least we can do.

I simply was pissed about the disrespect towards our friends who share our passion. Accidents happen and mistakes are made and that's how technology rules / regulations develop ... sad event!
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