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Driving in groups - a warning

As I have alluded to before, the penalties for speeding in Switzerland are severe: income-related fines and bans for relatively mild infractions (30 kmh above the low 80 kmh limit). With that in mind I am usually quite careful to ensure that if on occasion I accidently exceed the limit, it is not by much.

A few weeks back I had an invite to join a couple of acquaintances for a drive in a part of Switzerland I didn't know that well. I was shown some great roads (which I have since driven by myself a few times) and had a great day...until last week. Received a notice that I had just exceeded the 30 kmh difference...which is going to be very painful. Worst case I think is a 5 figure sum fine plus 3 month ban, although I am hoping I can somehow bring that down to 4 figures and 1 month.

Although the person leading wasn't driving that fast I think the problem was that I was concentrating too much on keeping up, rather than making sure I wasn't going too fast. That meant that on occassion I was accelerating too hard to ensure that I wasn't left behind, which can happen if you are following someone and they make an overtake before you. Ironically the person leading also went through the same speed trap but at that particular point was not much over the limit so got away with a small fine.

What really worries me is that none of us saw the trap. The police were using a laser gun and camera but must have been really well hidden (perhaps hiding in the trees).

All I can say is, be careful, watch your backs and if you are passing through Switzerland, expect the unexpected.

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Last year no matter what I did to try to reduce it i still got:
25000 chf fine
3 months ban
2 years suspended 30 day prison sentence if I do the same again or worse within two years.
I would say you will get very similar, the local Police in Zug also treated the case very seriously.

The moral of the story... dont ever ever speed in Switzerland. unless you really really know the road or drove down it ten mins before and checked no cameras mobile or otherwise.

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I thought things were bad down here. Immediate loss of licence for 30kph over limit but the fine is in the mid hundreds, not many thousands. I think here that if you exceed 50 over, your car is impounded. Second offence, car gets crushed!

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Is the fastest speed limit in Switzerland really 80 kph/50 mph? If so, that really sucks and I can see why you are anxious to drive in other countries. Reminds me of our old 55 mph/89 kph. Drove us all crazy. Now at least most of the interstates in the west are 75 mph/121 kph with a couple at 85 mph/137 kph and nobody bothers you for less than 10 mph/16 kph over. Fines are much less, too, and you usually just get points on your license for flagrant violations.

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Top speed is 120klm on the motorways
But the limits seem to change every 3 klm and you have to keep an eye open all the time as you can find yourself doing 120 in a 90 zone! and bam

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120 on the freeway is ok but 80 on the back roads is painfully slow, especially as the quality of the roads is normally first class.

The Swiss seem to have an obsession with speeding that is completely out of proportion to the actual incidence of dangerous driving that exists here. Each year there is one or perhaps two bad accidents caused by young men racing but it seems wrong to criminalize indiscriminately all people that stray too far over the limit. Driving is dangerous (compared to not moving) but the incremental risk of driving at 130 as opposed to 100 (on a clear road) must be vanishingly small. Unfortunately harsh punishment seems to be politically popular here so it is only going to get worse.

What I find odd is that in other areas sentencing here seems very lax. I've read cases of grievous bodily harm (beating some senseless so they had to hospitalized) where the guilty party received a lesser punishment than you would get for some speeding offenses, where there was no harm caused and only a theoretical risk.

One aspect of Switzerland I won't miss.
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I will be in Switzerland later this month - don't think I had better hire a car! Our max speed is 100k, with some 110k on interstates. Other roads often have multiple speed changes, so vigilance is required. We are also plagued with revenue grabbing fixed and mobile speed cameras absolutely everywhere.

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Wow, that is really very rough. Sorry to hear about your troubles ... takes all the fun out of owning these beautiful machines in a picturesque setting.

Reminds me of a law that was passed in Ontario a few years ago related to "street racing". It was a pretty loose definition and the Police could apply it at their discretion if you were more than 50 kph over the limit.

The ultimate penalty was that they would impound your car and CRUSH IT. I moved the hell out of there soon after the law was passed so I'm not certain if anyone ever did get their car destroyed but I'll bet they did.


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I got hit for 32mph (52kph)over about 6 months ago in NC. Had to hire a lawyer but even with that it ended out under $300 total and PA doesn't accept points from other states so no change in issuance rates and even if NC had suspended me PA wouldn't take my license.....so very little incentive to behave when I'm out of state
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I don't understand why you guys don't have radar detectors.

Prefer spending the 2500.00 upfront and no worries later on.
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I don't understand why you guys don't have radar detectors.

Prefer spending the 2500.00 upfront and no worries later on.
Radar detectors are strictly forbidden in Switzerland. If catched with a detector in the car, the punishment will be even greater.

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oddly speeding is not the biggest problem in Swiss.... Drink driving is.... as the Police relies so much on Cameras they dont seem to Police so much and thus drunk drivers are everywhere later at night

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I don't understand why you guys don't have radar detectors.

Prefer spending the 2500.00 upfront and no worries later on.
I wish! I think that being caught with a detector is practically a death sentence here.

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There are detectors that the police cant trace... I had one in one of my old Cars, it was a great tool!!
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There are detectors that the police cant trace... I had one in one of my old Cars, it was a great tool!!
Thanks Nick for the advice, I'll look into it.

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Stinger DSI is the one i had. The new one is called Stinger VIP, 2 sensors in the front grill with a "lasershield" they wont notice that one!

Control Panel is always on a secret location to Be sure, i had a small button under my steeringwheel to put everything off electronic when the police pulled me over

Great system
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Thank you so much Nick

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Ouch Paul! 25000CHF . That's about 17,000. The limits in Jersey are 40mph or 64kmh. Our neighbours, Guernsey have an even lower limit - 35mph or 56kmh. Fines are not big but I've heard of people getting jail for big speeding offences. Jersey now shares registration data with the UK so if we speed over there, a fine appears through the post from the UK authorities but they can't endorse our licenses.
Don't think we share registration data with anyone else in Europe so the risk in France, etc is being pulled over rather than static cameras.

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Stinger DSI is the one i had. The new one is called Stinger VIP, 2 sensors in the front grill with a "lasershield" they wont notice that one!

Control Panel is always on a secret location to Be sure, i had a small button under my steeringwheel to put everything off electronic when the police pulled me over

Great system
Had the same button on the 612 - the radar display was in the rear view mirror so there was no way it could be detected.

The current systems I have also sends off a voice activated message when approaching a red light camera intersection.
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I took "Speed Awareness" course instead of taking points off my driving licence and pay higher insurance...

However, it was really an eye opener for me to learn the UK statistics during the course.
They put the studies in 3 different speed limit: Urban (max 30mph), country roads (max 50mph) and motorway (max 70mph). I was surprised to learn about "Death and Serious injuries" caused by speeding in those three areas: Urban (almost 90%) - country road (7%) and motorway (3%)

Another interesting facts I learned: At 30mph, you are moving at approx. 12.5m (42ft) per second. Given reaction time of F1 drivers at .50 second (according to the instructor, of course) and the fastest road drivers at 1 second, by the time one observes and reacts, the vehicle already moves 12.5m ahead, and, depending on the quality of the reaction taken and the vehicle brakes, the vehicle would have moved another 25m (at least). So you really have a very short distance allowance!!!

Since then I have adjusted my driving accordingly, enjoying extra speed more on motorways, less on country roads and never on urban areas... SAFE DRIVING!

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