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Decisions decisions?? 16M/Scud or 599 or 612 or 430 Spider

I am looking to acquire a Ferrari to use as a daily driver sometime in the next 3-6 months. Plan would be to keep the car for 2-3 years. Some depreciation would be Ok but not looking to take a major hit. Personal preference does run in favor of the more hard core "extreme" models but this also needs to be liveable in all conditions all the time. My commute is a mix of highway and some good back roads. When looking at the options each has its own pros and cons:

16M - might be just a little to hard core as a DD, same for the Scud coupe but certainly the most exciting to drive IMHO

599 - quite good value, great drivers car, very civilized and maybe just a bit too much so

612 - same as the 599 but with the added benefit of 2 back seats that I could squeeze the kids into so we would not need to take the (really boring to drive) A8 everytime we go everywhere as a family

430 Spider - bit more of a sports car than the 2 big GTs, might be easier to live with on a daily basis than the Scud/16M

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I remember your blue Modena very well. Great driver, no thinking and reliable car. Never any thoughts about depreciation and mileage put on. Even great use for any fled's. If you look at a same quality, multi-using car, at the equal point of the depreciation curve, you may want to consider either the 430 spider or the 612 Scaglietti (depending how important the 2/4 seater argument is).
The 16M is a great car but not yet depreciated enough to make "a good deal". Also you have 2 very special supercar Ferrari's, a 16M would be going much into the same direction probably.
The 599 is a great car and already heavy depreciated (another fall of their price will come this spring, when the successor will be showed at the Geneva show in March.)

You had the 575M as well. How do you compared it to the Modena ? Do you liked the front against the mid engined concept better for a 2 seater ?

If not skip the 599 and go for a cheap, well depreciated 430. Just my 2 cents.
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Boxer, given your existing stable I think I would go 612. It's a lot of car for the money at the moment. Well depreciated, but given the luke warm reception of it's FF successor, might not depreciate a huge amount more over the next few years. More than capable as a motorway cruiser and back road driver. Elegant, refined and as you pointed out will mean that you won't have to drive the boring car at all.

Might not be hard core enough for you though? But then a Scud or 16m would be competing for similar type of thrills that the F40 & F50 (& 288 & Enzo ) already deliver.

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My .02

I go in and out of cars pretty fast.

The 612 is the first car that I just can't sell - it's not replaceable.

Drive one with the handling package and sports exhaust - it's that good.

599 is a harsh ride as is the 430 and Scud - even tried the Bentley SS ... 612 wins!

612 has plenty of hp and torque ... mine listed for 350 and it's worth maybe 135.

No way is there a better dd out there - couldn't give me an FF even trade for the 612.
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I agree. The 612 is a [relative] bargain that would make a great DD. And the fact you have kids makes even more of a compelling argument. The back seat will allow you to drive it more often.

When the 612 came out the dealer in Milano gave me a test ride. He pointed the car at a roundabout and floored the right pedal. The cars tires squealed as he calmly steered the car around the circle. I was impressed big time.

I vote big V-12 and the 612!!

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As a DD it's really hard to beat a 612. To add to what Doug said, having driven both the 612 and having lived with my buddy's Continental for a day, the 612 is twice the car the Bentley is in pretty much everyway.

If you want something a bit more extreme I would go with a 458, I know it wasn't a choice but it, to me, is the most exciting and the ability to adjust the suspension and shifts separately would make it easier to live with. It can be as civil as your grandma's car one minute and tear up the Nurburgring the next. Depreciation could be a serious problem, however.

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I would go with a 458, I Depreciation could be a serious problem, however.

Just my .02
Thanks for all the insights. 458 is not an option due to the expected drop in values, I have a major allergy to depreciation.

Seems the the two favorites so far are the 612 or 430 Spider.
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Boxer my thinking would be along the "family car" path given the hard core supercars you own.

Equally having a loud exhaust blasting your ears and mechanical noise in the cabin on a daily commute may be novel in the beginning but may soon become an irritation.
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Seems the the two favorites so far are the 612 or 430 Spider.
Seems logical in context of your depreciation allergy and more importantly your existing stables.

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Great comments and thanks. Please keep them coming.
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Would you consider a classic/vintage?

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Bet the kids vote for the 612! Would be a nice addition.
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Would you consider a classic/vintage?

Sure would help treat the depreciation allergy. How about a GTC? Course I may be a bit partial.

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No family commuting required for daily driver? Just you and the car to work?

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I am looking to acquire a Ferrari to use as a daily driver sometime in the next 3-6 months. Plan would be to keep the car for 2-3 years. Some depreciation would be Ok but not looking to take a major hit. Personal preference does run in favor of the more hard core "extreme" models but this also needs to be liveable in all conditions all the time. My commute is a mix of highway and some good back roads. When looking at the options each has its own pros and cons:

16M - might be just a little to hard core as a DD, same for the Scud coupe but certainly the most exciting to drive IMHO

599 - quite good value, great drivers car, very civilized and maybe just a bit too much so

612 - same as the 599 but with the added benefit of 2 back seats that I could squeeze the kids into so we would not need to take the (really boring to drive) A8 everytime we go everywhere as a family

430 Spider - bit more of a sports car than the 2 big GTs, might be easier to live with on a daily basis than the Scud/16M

All comments and insights would be much appreciated.

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No family commuting required for daily driver? Just you and the car to work?
But could double as a weekend family car if it were a 2+2?

@Boxer - am I correct in thinking your boys are all in their teens? Would they fit in the back of a 612?

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612 is my thoughts for sure. Still sliding down depreciation curve but not a huge $$ gap i'd imagine till bottom

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with your stable Boxer, i would go with a nice big v-12,SuperAmerica,that's my favorite!!!Otter

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612 is my thoughts for sure. Still sliding down depreciation curve but not a huge $$ gap i'd imagine till bottom
And bottom might be higher than we'd expect if significant numbers decided to hang on to their 612s rather than trade into an FF

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Would you consider a classic/vintage?
Great idea but not with the weather and traffic here.
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No family commuting required for daily driver? Just you and the car to work?
No, just me for the daily commute.
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