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New XWX's with pleasing results on "D"

I was aware that a change of all 4 tyres on "D" was about time after 25'k's and 2.5 years (actually the tyres where from 06 in the back and '04 in front).

The result was breathtaking..in a way I never thought it to be so different. I know many people are critics of the Daytona because it feels heavy and (most of all) steers heavy at low speeds or almost standstill. Well they probably never experienced a Daytona with brandnew tyres on it. (neither did I). With the new tyres, the steering wheel feels like a power assisted servo system. Way lighter and smoother than before. Sorry for opening a new thread just because of this but I thought it may be of interest to anybody considering purchase of a Daytona but being sensitive to "hard work" on the steering wheel.

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212- Glad the new tires helped that much. The only time the Daytona steering felt heavy with relatively new tires (always XWXs) was below 20 mph with lots of lock. That is just physics, because the worm and roller steering has only so much mechanical advantage, even with quite a few turns lock to lock. The funny thing is that two of the best feeling cars at high speed for road feel and on center steering were the Daytona and Mercedes SECs (from the 380 SEC through the 560 SEC). Both were wonderful at 100+ mph/160+ kph speeds. Rack and pinion rules now, but those two worm and roller systems were the ultimate perfection of that steering system.

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I was aware that a change of all 4 tyres on "D" was about time after 25'k's and 2.5 years (actually the tyres where from 06 in the back and '04 in front).

The result was breathtaking..in a way I never thought it to be so different. I know many people are critics of the Daytona because it feels heavy and (most of all) steers heavy at low speeds or almost standstill. Well they probably never experienced a Daytona with brandnew tyres on it. (neither did I). With the new tyres, the steering wheel feels like a power assisted servo system. Way lighter and smoother than before. Sorry for opening a new thread just because of this but I thought it may be of interest to anybody considering purchase of a Daytona but being sensitive to "hard work" on the steering wheel.
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Were your old tyres XWXs as well?

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Wonderful that you continue to enjoy your magnificent D, 212Export and that the proper new tyres make such a good difference. Michalone transformed for the better when new rubber fitted in October 2009, in this case Michelin.

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212- Glad the new tires helped that much. The only time the Daytona steering felt heavy with relatively new tires (always XWXs) was below 20 mph with lots of lock. That is just physics, because the worm and roller steering has only so much mechanical advantage, even with quite a few turns lock to lock. The funny thing is that two of the best feeling cars at high speed for road feel and on center steering were the Daytona and Mercedes SECs (from the 380 SEC through the 560 SEC). Both were wonderful at 100+ mph/160+ kph speeds. Rack and pinion rules now, but those two worm and roller systems were the ultimate perfection of that steering system.
Understand. But even below 20 mph it feels much lighter.

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Wonderful that you continue to enjoy your magnificent D, 212Export and that the proper new tyres make such a good difference. Michalone transformed for the better when new rubber fitted in October 2009, in this case Michelin.
Thanks, Michelin again , they really seem to be very competitive with older and newer sizes.

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I am not that surprised. When I put new XWX's on my old 512BB, it transformed the handling.
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I loved XWXs. Had them on my 69 911S, Dino 246 GT, and Daytona. They were the thing to have back then until the advent of wider wheels and the early Pirelli P Zeros. Considering how narrow they were, they offered really good cornering and braking and the tread pattern worked well in rain or light snow. Try one of the new summer tires in light snow and it will scare you to death.

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I was aware that a change of all 4 tyres on "D" was about time after 25'k's and 2.5 years (actually the tyres where from 06 in the back and '04 in front).

The result was breathtaking..in a way I never thought it to be so different. I know many people are critics of the Daytona because it feels heavy and (most of all) steers heavy at low speeds or almost standstill. Well they probably never experienced a Daytona with brandnew tyres on it. (neither did I). With the new tyres, the steering wheel feels like a power assisted servo system. Way lighter and smoother than before. Sorry for opening a new thread just because of this but I thought it may be of interest to anybody considering purchase of a Daytona but being sensitive to "hard work" on the steering wheel.
4 new XWXs and a minor service due on GT4 tomorrow. Hope I'm reporting similar results in 24 hours...

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Transformed!

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Excellent and not suprised. New rubber on older cars makes a huge amount of difference.
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Indeed, a great way to start. Looking forward to your impressions, Barry. w/ smiles Jimmy
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Indeed, a great way to start. Looking forward to your impressions, Barry. w/ smiles Jimmy
The guys in Charles Hurst Ferrari called me into the workshop when they took the first wheel off (I was still hanging around jumping between the 458 and CS in the showroom ). They had a new and old XWX beside eachother (the old with at least 70% of the thread left ). The difference between the two rubbers was, as expected, incredible.

To put it in perspective, my 3 year old girl who accompanied me on the trip up and back to Belfast, commented, "like the flintstones tyres!"

The first thing I noticed was exactly as 212 described. Slow (very slow) speed manouvering is transfromed. Up to then it was near impossible to turn the wheel at anything under 4/5 mph. Now you can almost do it with one hand. I'm guessing my wife will be very pleasently surprised when she drives it again as that was the one thing she was not too impressed with.

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Picky wife !!!!!! w/ smiles Jimmy
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You don't know the half of it Jimmy. But then I do get away with a lot myself (there's been more than one of her friends comment that they'd never 'allow' a Ducati 916 in the living room!)

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