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post #1 of 25 Old 11-27-2010, 11:44 AM Thread Starter
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Why won't this car sell?

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If I had the money, it would be in my garage now!

But it's been for sale for months. I just don't get it.
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It's just a red-headed step child and gets little attention in the Ferrari world. Honestly, that price is a bit high as well considering a good 550 Maranello can be had for $60-70k right now.
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It's just a red-headed step child and gets little attention in the Ferrari world. Honestly, that price is a bit high as well considering a good 550 Maranello can be had for $60-70k right now.
weren't a lot of 456's plagued w/ valve guides that appeared to made out of play-do?
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cause nobody wants it. it's the mondial of 12 cylinders. or is that the 412?



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I haven't heard of the valve guide issue being any more severe than the 550s. Certainly no where near the bad press the 355 has gotten. As far as this car well two things strike me right off. One- its a GTA. Automatic Ferraris in general aren't real desirable. Two- its doesn't have the updates or additional power of the 456M. Considering even though it has the same engine (with less power) as the better styled 550 Maranello, dollar for dollar a 550 is a better buy.

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I suspect we'll see a lot of 456 parts/tiltles end up as other Ferraris. I know a few 456/550/575 engines have gone into Norwood P4 replicas inthe past few years....and one almost went into my 308 but the engine was too long to allow the wide wheels to stay under the stock wheel wells so 400i engine it was.
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cause nobody wants it. it's the mondial of 12 cylinders. or is that the 412?
I like the 456M styling but in some ways I like the 412 styling more.

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Well, I didn't mean to pick on that particular car. It's just a good example of all the 456s for sale.

I know Boxer had trouble with his as it wasn't a well sorted car. I agree mk e, if prices go any lower, we'll start seeing them chopped up for parts. There's another thread going on right now on that very subject.

But Ed, was the Mondial really that bad a car? Is the 456??
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The fact that it is an Auto box would certainly put a lot of potential buyers off.

Given the fairly un-loved status, agree that 456s are likely to be the 250 GTEs for the next generation in terms of becoming donor cars.
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I just can't help but draw parallels to my old Jaguar XJS. In its day, people joked about its "flying butresses", but it was a timeless beauty and an absolute dream to drive. In the end, many of its 12 cylinder motors found their way into all sorts of vehicles. I doubt any of them will ever be restored.

This could easily tun into a long rant regarding the current trend in automobiles, but it isn't like we haven't seen this before. There've been countless cars that were deemed to be unworthy of conservation or restoration until it was too late. Our other post discussing what Luzaggo does to old 2+2s is case in point.

Sigh.... Somebody please donate their unloved 456 to me before its too late. I promise to keep it original and minty fresh.....
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depends on what your reference mark is. compared to a corvette, i rather have either car. compared to all other ferraris they fall at the bottom of my list. something has to.



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Hmmm.. a PPG pace car. pretty cool. I agree with you... even the worse Ferrari is still better than a bunch of other regular cars.

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I just can't help but draw parallels to my old Jaguar XJS. In its day, people joked about its "flying butresses", but it was a timeless beauty and an absolute dream to drive. In the end, many of its 12 cylinder motors found their way into all sorts of vehicles. I doubt any of them will ever be restored.

This could easily tun into a long rant regarding the current trend in automobiles, but it isn't like we haven't seen this before. There've been countless cars that were deemed to be unworthy of conservation or restoration until it was too late. Our other post discussing what Luzaggo does to old 2+2s is case in point.

Sigh.... Somebody please donate their unloved 456 to me before its too late. I promise to keep it original and minty fresh.....
Well said. Look at any number of older japanese sports/sporty type cars. Worth more as a sum of parts than an actual functioning automobile. Only now do you see cars like the Datsun 240Z or early mazda rotaries or even newer 80's era rice cars starting to find interest as more desirable cars are increasing in value. Eventually they may find loving homes but not before most of them are butchered/wrecked/neglected.

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Well, the 456 is a little pricy to maintain for what is it, the front looks of it is kind of bland, the power is nice and so is the seating if you are looking for a 2+2 but the automatic is a real turn off.

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Well, the 456 is a little pricy to maintain for what is it, the front looks of it is kind of bland, the power is nice and so is the seating if you are looking for a 2+2 but the automatic is a real turn off.

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Seating in back is very short on leg room. Four adults can not sit comfortably in a 456.
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They couldn't in my XJS either.
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weren't a lot of 456's plagued w/ valve guides that appeared to made out of play-do?
It definitely didn't help their case, the self leveling rear suspension is always a treat to.

A lot of them suffer from deferred maintenance which is a concern.

As with the early 2+2 cars, my opinion is that it's a great way to get into the joy of a Ferrari V12 without paying huge money.

You just have to accept it for what it is...a touring car NOT a race car.
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Seating in back is very short on leg room. Four adults can not sit comfortably in a 456.
I know, I was talking about kids like for me and my two young daughters.

I looked at one when looking for the 348 but when the 456 was in front of me, it just didn't do it for me like the 348 did.


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You just have to accept it for what it is...a touring car NOT a race car.
I have seen a few 456 GTs out on the track. Not pretty.
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