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post #1 of 21 Old 04-19-2010, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
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458 Spider or GTS?

How many would like to see the 458 in a GTS version and not a Spider version? I'm sure a Spider version is in the works, but I'm wondering how it will look on this car with the air vents they put behind the rear side windows.
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A GTS would look really interesting, would be good to see someone photoshop one up :-)

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I like the idea of a targa top Italia. I kind of think though that the rear deck sits so high in the 430 and 360 spiders that you almost get the same appearance as you would with a targa. And since the 458 is an evolution of those two models I think it probably be the same. It would be cool to have a choice though like when they made the 355.

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I like the idea of a targa top Italia. I kind of think though that the rear deck sits so high in the 430 and 360 spiders that you almost get the same appearance as you would with a targa. And since the 458 is an evolution of those two models I think it probably be the same. It would be cool to have a choice though like when they made the 355.
I was thinking the same on the 360/430, it is almost like a Targa, especially compared to the F355.

When you look at the 458, making it a Spider will really be different, look just behind the side windows and there are air vents to the engine. With their current placement I don't see how you can do a Spider.
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Pardon my ignorance, what exactly is the difference between a GTS and a spider? A quick google search tells me that GTS stands "Grand Tourer Spider," though I don't see how the 458 could be made a Grand Tourer vehicle without changing the car so completely to get to the point that it's a different model.
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Pardon my ignorance, what exactly is the difference between a GTS and a spider?

The best way to describe to someone the difference between the GTS and Spider would be to look at the picture below of the 348 for example.

Starting with the first car at the top of the picture and working down :

Top car - 348 GTS (a.k.a Targa Top)
Middle car - 348 Spider (a.k.a Cabriolet)
Bottom car - 348 Berlinetta (a.k.a Hard Top)

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It's an interesting point, Andrew. It seems to me that a spider version will definitely lose some of the aerodynamic features of the Italia.


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How many would like to see the 458 in a GTS version and not a Spider version? I'm sure a Spider version is in the works
Andrew, I think this answers your question about a Spider version in the works.....

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The 458 Spider will have a retractable hard top.
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I wonder how u would create a retractable hard top on a mid engine car? A system like the californias could not function I would think due to space! The clever folks at Marenello will have to get really creative :-)
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I wonder how u would create a retractable hard top on a mid engine car? A system like the californias could not function I would think due to space! The clever folks at Marenello will have to get really creative :-)
A high rear deck lid.
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A high rear deck lid.
mmmm - Still don't get it, I would have thought that any roof panel that folded back on top of the rear deck (Or into the deck) would prevent cooling and make an oven out of the engine compartment. The Superamerica has the folding roof panel but the engine is in the front so no overheating issue.. I'm trying to imagine how you do it, are there examples of other mid engine cars where this has been implemented? The only examples I can think of have removable roof panels (F50, Lotus Exige etc) rather then fully automated, but I may be missing something. (It's been a hard working week and I just got back from LA :-) )

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Have heard that it will tuck in right behind roll hoops and fold flat in front of the engine.
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Dermot, this is a patent diagram which is rumoured to be for the 458 spider roof.
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Fantastic, that's the only way to do it! Clearly there's no such thing as a secret in the car business :-)
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Pardon my lack of up-close experience with such a convertible, but what exactly is the big issue with a convertible hard top? Couldn't the same be done as this with the hard top carefully sectioned and hinged at the needed fold locations?
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Pardon my lack of up-close experience with such a convertible, but what exactly is the big issue with a convertible hard top? Couldn't the same be done as this with the hard top carefully sectioned and hinged at the needed fold locations?
Biggest issue with a Spider hard top is the weight.
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Biggest issue with a Spider hard top is the weight.
By weight, do you mean the hard top raises the center of gravity too high, or it just adds too many pounds to the car on the whole?
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By weight, do you mean the hard top raises the center of gravity too high, or it just adds too many pounds to the car on the whole?
The latter. Just adds more weight than a soft top would.
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