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Question - 430 won't crank...

Went out to the garage a few minutes ago to crank the 430 and it would not start. It has been colder than normal in North Alabama and is forecast to be in the teens at night and thirties during the day.

At start-up, the check came back 'OK' but the battery was too low (I'm guessing) to make a complete turn due to the cold. The garage is about 50 degrees. I last ran the car six days ago (it was fairly cold then) and I try and run it at least once a week for various reasons.

Question: should I get a battery pack and try and crank the car today or should I wait a week or two weeks hoping for it to warm up and try again? Also, the garage will not get below freezing regardless of temps, so there is no danger there. Battery is not on a trickle charger...

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Dear Colonel,

I have had three batteries going from fine one week and gone the next. Last time was on the old Scaglietti where it started with full spirit in town. I turned the engine off to unload and open the garage door at home. When I tried to start it to reverse it into the garage the battery was dead, just a tiny attempt to light up the dash panel and then stone dead.

Ferrari came to my house and said it is not uncommon that batteries on the newer Ferraris don't die slowly giving a warning. It does apparently happen that they drop dead between one crank and the next. From now on I drive maximum two years on the same battery.

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Dear Colonel,

Ferrari came to my house and said it is not uncommon that batteries on the newer Ferraris don't die slowly giving a warning. It does apparently happen that they drop dead between one crank and the next. From now on I drive maximum two years on the same battery.

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Much thanks! I'm not sure Ferrari will come by house, but a new battery may be indicated!

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This sometimes happen to my 430 if I go too long between drives.
Try putting it on a trickle charger overnight and starting it, even if it is still cold weather outside.

I use a Battery Tender charger which works well. Also, that brand of charger comes with two sets of leads - one with clips on the end and one with bolt-on connectors. Use the bolt-on connectors to the battery posts bolts located under the passenger side footwell and then leave the end of the wire lead tucked in under the 430's dash on the passenger side. That way, you can trickle charge whenever you want without the fuss of getting to the battery itself.

My car starts the next day every time so far. It is a 2006 that I've owned since new (3 years now).

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This sometimes happen to my 430 if I go too long between drives. Try putting it on a trickle charger overnight and starting it, even if it is still cold weather outside.

Good luck.
Thanks, Toggie! Trying to see if I still have my old 308 trickle charger...

Also, will it hurt the car to just 'sit there' for a few weeks, provided the garage doesn't freeze (which it won't)?

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Thanks, Toggie! Trying to see if I still have my old 308 trickle charger...

Also, will it hurt the car to just 'sit there' for a few weeks, provided the garage doesn't freeze (which it won't)?
The car should be okay but I think there is a slight risk to the battery. I'm not an expert but I think if a battery goes completely dead then it won't recharge and needs to be replaced. So, if the battery doesn't have enough power to turn the starter, but still isn't completely dead, then it might be worth it to put it on a Battery Tender in the next day or two.

Battery Tender brand chargers are sold everywhere and are pretty inexpensive. They are typically $45 - $60 for the model I have. You should be able to buy them several places around town.
Here is a link for one on Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Battery-Tender.../dp/B00068XCQU

You can see the two types of leads it comes with in the picture below.
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Thanks!

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Had my battery changed last month runs like a dream now.

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Here in Switzerland, we have quite cold temperatures too. My 430 sits in a garage permanently connected to a battery conditioner which maintains the battery at 14.8V. I never experienced any problems starting the car but I always try to have a short drive as most as possible (avoiding salted roads for sure...).
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Woke up to snow on the ground and roads this morning (Not an every year occurence), and more on the way - so battery activities will have to wait!! We don't do well driving on snow in Alabama.

Not to worry though, I have plenty of single malt on-hand to make it through. And, a certain football team is playing in a certain bowl game tonight, so my focus is elsewhere today!



p.s. Rammer Jammer, Yellowhammer, give 'em hell, Alabama!


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Went out to the garage a few minutes ago to crank the 430 and it would not start. It has been colder than normal in North Alabama and is forecast to be in the teens at night and thirties during the day.

At start-up, the check came back 'OK' but the battery was too low (I'm guessing) to make a complete turn due to the cold. The garage is about 50 degrees. I last ran the car six days ago (it was fairly cold then) and I try and run it at least once a week for various reasons.

Question: should I get a battery pack and try and crank the car today or should I wait a week or two weeks hoping for it to warm up and try again? Also, the garage will not get below freezing regardless of temps, so there is no danger there. Battery is not on a trickle charger...

Thanks in advance!

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I would absolutely do NOT jump that battery: May possibly fry your ECUs which has happened to many [perhaps even my 456 couple months ago which is why it's being carted off] 360's, 430 and such.

IF on the open road, I would have someone connect up [if new battery can't be found] and have it trickle charge for a long time, AFTER taking their cables off your system. These cars are that much concern.

Put a charger on it, let it sit for at least a full charge indicator, and then start it.

Then, always keep a charger on it: FofSF even recommends it and will install, for new/warranty cars. For about $80 you are good to go as leaving on charger is NOT a problem.

PS: IF you have experienced a dead battery, then your ECUs need to be 're-booted' for lack of a better term.
I believe manual states to
1. turn key to on, but not start position for at least 30 seconds if a bit longer
2. turn key to start position and let car run for at least 20 min. for it to re-adjust the firing and control intake and outlet systems.
3. drive moderately for a [great? 30 min?] time. <-- I am vague on this but usually drive under 3,500RPM for about 20 min.

Not to worry too much on temps, as fans should/would kick in etc. but, then again NOT good to idle run for over 20min. too.

Greg should be able to expand on this and

[what happened to] Dave Helms, should chime in too.

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I would absolutely do NOT jump that battery: May possibly fry your ECUs which has happened to many [perhaps even my 456 couple months ago which is why it's being carted off] 360's, 430 and such.

Put a charger on it, let it sit for at least a full charge indicator, and then start it.

Then, always keep a charger on it: FofSF even recommends it and will install, for new/warranty cars. For about $80 you are good to go as leaving on charger is NOT a problem.
Thanks, Granucci - as soon as we thaw out I am going the charger route!

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OK, bought the charger and just discovered that the battery for the 430 is under the passenger footwell (of course). So, can I temporarily use the trickle charger with the battery in situ or do I need to remove the battery from the vehicle?

If so, how hard of a job is this? According to the manual, it's just a few steps, but given my lack of mechanical aptitude and back issues, it looks like the job for a more talented person - true?

Sounds like I'm calling FofAtlanta...

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OK, bought the charger and just discovered that the battery for the 430 is under the passenger footwell (of course). So, can I temporarily use the trickle charger with the battery in situ or do I need to remove the battery from the vehicle?

If so, how hard of a job is this? According to the manual, it's just a few steps, but given my lack of mechanical aptitude and back issues, it looks like the job for a more talented person - true?

Sounds like I'm calling FofAtlanta...


Makes the VW bug's battery a charmer.

Think that's bad, try a Mondial T: step 1. Remove front, left tire, 2. remove front wheel well plate; 3. Insert + power lead. 4. Insert - power lead, IN THE Front light area from front boot access, 5. Sit down and crack a beer, as you are out of air

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Think that's bad, try a Mondial T: step 1. Remove front, left tire, 2. remove front wheel well plate; 3. Insert + power lead. 4. Insert - power lead, IN THE Front light area from front boot access, 5. Sit down as you are out of air, and crack a beer.
I'm going step 4a and then 5. Return the trickle charger, buy more beer.


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I'm going step 4a and then 5. Return the trickle charger, buy more beer.

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As I live in Montana and have killed many batteries over the years, you may have a battery 'flat' enough that the trickle charger will not charge. Battery charger senses the voltage of dead battery and if too low does not charge. To get around this I often hook up a portable jump starter (think portable battery) and give 12 volts to battery for 1 hour, then plug in trickle charge over night. I"ve done this too with rechargeable tools and new cars(trucks) and never had any problems. However-not new Ferrari's. I'd do it on mine if I had one but I can't promise that it could do no damage.Dealer sounds pretty cheap compared to possible trouble. Bill
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As I live in Montana and have killed many batteries over the years, you may have a battery 'flat' enough that the trickle charger will not charge. Battery charger senses the voltage of dead battery and if too low does not charge. To get around this I often hook up a portable jump starter (think portable battery) and give 12 volts to battery for 1 hour, then plug in trickle charge over night. I"ve done this too with rechargeable tools and new cars(trucks) and never had any problems. However-not new Ferrari's. I'd do it on mine if I had one but I can't promise that it could do no damage.Dealer sounds pretty cheap compared to possible trouble. Bill
Thank you, sir - the proper authorities have been notified, e.g. Ferrari of Atlanta. I'd probably do more damage removing the battery than the $600.00 transport fee!!


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As I live in Montana and have killed many batteries over the years, you may have a battery 'flat' enough that the trickle charger will not charge. Battery charger senses the voltage of dead battery and if too low does not charge. To get around this I often hook up a portable jump starter (think portable battery) and give 12 volts to battery for 1 hour, then plug in trickle charge over night. I"ve done this too with rechargeable tools and new cars(trucks) and never had any problems. However-not new Ferrari's. I'd do it on mine if I had one but I can't promise that it could do no damage.Dealer sounds pretty cheap compared to possible trouble. Bill

Interesting. I lived in Moscow ID [ UofI ] for four years, and remember cold starts...but more the problem of radiator items...poor students can't afford garages.

I'll have to remember that solution. I purchased one of those D/C==>A/C packs last year on Amazon and LOVE it.

I can, as you are cautious too, Ferraris with a jump is playing bad odds. Sometimes you can get away with it and other times you are really sorry. Matter of fact, I've done it a couple times to one Ferrari and wonder if I just didn't set myself up for a weakened ECU failure ... I'll soon know.

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oh you Air Force types needing Navy to show the way

BEER first, then rest
A Colonel in moniker only. But I'll drink to that just the same, sir!

(Plus, my namesake was a Ring-Knocker and Navy has been beating USMA for too long for me to talk any Army-Navy smack!)

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