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I have began my quest of owning a Ferrari. I have not singled out one particular model, because frankly, I am just learning the Ferrari mystique and all the intricacies of all the different engines, styles and body design. I have given myself ample time to find the particular Ferrari I want to keep, maintain and pamper.

However, I have read that some Ferrari owners have perhaps "tracked" their car for fun or for other purposes. My real question then becomes, if I have to buy a used Ferrari, how do I know that the car was not raced? I know this sound absurd but can one really be able to tell if a Ferrari was tracked?
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Why does it matter?

1) These cars were designed to be driven
2) Tracked cars are generally owned by people that have the means and take very good car of them.
3) about 50 other good reason to buy a tracked car.

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Why does it matter?

1) These cars were designed to be driven
2) Tracked cars are generally owned by people that have the means and take very good car of them.
3) about 50 other good reason to buy a tracked car.
+1, if a car was tracked or not is completely irrelevant IMHO. How is has been maintained is the issue to be concerned with.
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I have began my quest of owning a Ferrari. I have not singled out one particular model, because frankly, I am just learning the Ferrari mystique and all the intricacies of all the different engines, styles and body design. I have given myself ample time to find the particular Ferrari I want to keep, maintain and pamper.

However, I have read that some Ferrari owners have perhaps "tracked" their car for fun or for other purposes. My real question then becomes, if I have to buy a used Ferrari, how do I know that the car was not raced? I know this sound absurd but can one really be able to tell if a Ferrari was tracked?
Good question, even though these cars are meant to be driven and hard tracking them definitely shortens the life of the engine and tranny surprising many unfortunate individuals.

One way to see if the car was tracked ask if they are members on FLife or FChat and read all their posts and threads, usually they will have mentioned if they have or planned to. Other than that you must do the obvious PPI including compression test, checking the tranny fluids, getting fluid and oil analysis.

But as Lane said the people who track can usually afford to so they maintain their cars extremely well.

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I have began my quest of owning a Ferrari. I have not singled out one particular model, because frankly, I am just learning the Ferrari mystique and all the intricacies of all the different engines, styles and body design. I have given myself ample time to find the particular Ferrari I want to keep, maintain and pamper.

However, I have read that some Ferrari owners have perhaps "tracked" their car for fun or for other purposes. My real question then becomes, if I have to buy a used Ferrari, how do I know that the car was not raced? I know this sound absurd but can one really be able to tell if a Ferrari was tracked?
Hi and welcome.

Agree with the above responses, but also an additional, perhaps naive sounding answer:

why not simply ask the owner or the guy representing him?

Given above reactions, tracking is not necessarily a shame or a danger to one's car. And quite a few people enjoy doing so and are proud of it. If the seller is serious, he'll answer without jitteriness. If you don't get a good feeling about it, walk away. Very few Ferrari's are completely unique, there's always another one somewhere that's right for you.

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Also, most Ferrari club events at race tracks are not wheel-to-wheel racing. Rather, they are an opportunity to safely get your car up to speed. Most Ferraris are very stable in the 90 mph to 130 mph range, such as on a long straightaway section of track. It isn't wise to do that kind of speed on public roads. Once you own a Ferrari, you'll see why so many people enjoy track days with their local car clubs. If driven correctly, the wear-and-tear on the car is minimal - mostly on the tires and brakes.
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Also, most Ferrari club events at race tracks are not wheel-to-wheel racing. Rather, they are an opportunity to safely get your car up to speed. Most Ferraris are very stable in the 90 mph to 130 mph range, such as on a long straightaway section of track. It isn't wise to do that kind of speed on public roads. Once you own a Ferrari, you'll see why so many people enjoy track days with their local car clubs. If driven correctly, the wear-and-tear on the car is minimal - mostly on the tires and brakes.
+1. Excellent observations. w/ smiles Jimmy PS. Very often, the actual driving skills of owner may be more detrimental.
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Thanks, Jimmy.

Another question to ask the previous owner of the Ferrari is "how many hours per year has the car been tracked?". Most club track events are have different skill groups on the track at different times during the day, so, often, a certain skill group will be on the track for 45 minutes or so maybe 4 times per track day. And a lot of track events are only for 2 days rental of the track, with some owners only coming for 1 out of the 2 days. So, if an owner goes to 2 to 4 track events a year, maybe a total of only 12 to 20 hours of track driving is put on the car per year. As you can see, this is very different than the hard life of an actual race car.

BTW, here is a pic of me in my black 430 on a club track day going into a corner. Trust me, it is fun.
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Thanks, Jimmy.

Trust me, it is fun.
+1.

A few club track days a year are going to put have very minimal extra wear on a Ferrari. An owner who abuses or does not know how to drive the car properly on the road is a far worse harzard.
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+1.

A few club track days a year are going to put have very minimal extra wear on a Ferrari. An owner who abuses or does not know how to drive the car properly on the road is a far worse harzard.
Well, Boxer, reading that line, since I do not track myself, I must reconsider my classification in the latter group. Got to get my bud moving and take one of those weekend track driving sessions. w/ smiles Jimmy PS. Sorry, did not mean to sidetrack from the topic.
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How does one keep track of a tracked car???
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A bit of track time is fantastic fun and does not hurt your Ferrari one bit. If anything, it is very healthy for a performance car to work at its limit for some prolonged period - something which just doesn't happen on the road.

Of course, if the car gets damaged then that's an issue but that's the same for cars that get damaged outside of the track.


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Thanks, Jimmy.

Another question to ask the previous owner of the Ferrari is "how many hours per year has the car been tracked?". Most club track events are have different skill groups on the track at different times during the day, so, often, a certain skill group will be on the track for 45 minutes or so maybe 4 times per track day. And a lot of track events are only for 2 days rental of the track, with some owners only coming for 1 out of the 2 days. So, if an owner goes to 2 to 4 track events a year, maybe a total of only 12 to 20 hours of track driving is put on the car per year. As you can see, this is very different than the hard life of an actual race car.

BTW, here is a pic of me in my black 430 on a club track day going into a corner. Trust me, it is fun.
+1...I'd buy Toggie's cars because he maintains them. Get to know the prior owner and his/her mechanic before you buy. You can tell a lot about people and their passion to reinvest and not defer maintennance. That should be your greater concern IMHO - deferred and much needed maintennance.
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