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Would you consider buying a recreation? In the past, it was never anything I would have considered but both these look very well done:

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post #2 of 24 Old 10-19-2009, 10:55 PM
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The 250 GTO rep looks nice but at the end of the day it is a neither here (250 GTO) not there (250 GTE) car. The other thing is that for this sort of money, circa GBP 250k, there is a whole array of genuine Ferrari's I could choose from that have been preserved the way they came out of the Ferrari factory. For instance, a Daytona and a Boxer, or perhaps a 288 GTO, or a 330 GTC and 308, or a 430 Scuderia and a 250 GTE. The list of genuine, factory built and wonderful Ferrari's instead of the rep goes on...
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It's funny. I don't know why but I am not interested in an LM recreation or GTO recreation, although both of these do seem very nice. I think it is because they're tintops. However, I am very partial to recreations of the late '50ies open top racers, such as the 250TR, 246S, or 196S.

There is a beautiful 1960 TR recreation for sale at Oakfields, has been for a very long time as well: http://www.finecars.cc/en/detail/car...tml?no_cache=1

Until recently, another 250TR recreation was for sale at Talacrest. Also a very well made TR recreation, done by David Cottingham of DK Engineering for his own personal use. I saw the car at Goodwood Revival in 2007 and thought it was real. You can see a picture below.

Why do I like these open racers? Well, it's the racing experience that appeals to me. I would not ever pretend that these cars are real but I think it would be just magnificent to drive a car like that on the track, and a real one will never happen.


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Interesting question, interesting views.

Knee-jerk reaction before reading the above:'no way!'

Upon second thought then: 'no' for one of which real equivalents are realistically still available, or for one which is not as sublime that it would warrant the opportunity cost (i.e. the spend otherwise incurred on a different but also great Ferrari @ 250k or thereabouts). But 'perhaps' on completely unique, totally out-of-reach stuff like the racer above.

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Interesting question, interesting views.

Knee-jerk reaction before reading the above:'no way!'

Upon second thought then: 'no' for one of which real equivalents are realistically still available, or for one which is not as sublime that it would warrant the opportunity cost (i.e. the spend otherwise incurred on a different but also great Ferrari @ 250k or thereabouts). But 'perhaps' on completely unique, totally out-of-reach stuff like the racer above.
Think I agree with IPF, but not entirely sure. At the end of the day I think the "real" Ferrari for the same money as the rep would win out for me. In a large part because I'd be afraid I'd constantly look at the rep and have that niggling feeling of "but it's not real!". Tough call though, some of them are just crushingly beautiful...

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Think I agree with IPF, but not entirely sure. At the end of the day I think the "real" Ferrari for the same money as the rep would win out for me. In a large part because I'd be afraid I'd constantly look at the rep and have that niggling feeling of "but it's not real!". Tough call though, some of them are just crushingly beautiful...
+1, it is quite the emotional battle. Even if I could afford a 250 LM or 250 GTO, I am not sure I would ever be comfortable driving it on the track hard. Simply to valuable now to push to the limits. On the other hand, a very professionally done recreation can deliver 90+% of the original experience..............
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Would you consider buying a recreation? In the past, it was never anything I would have considered but both these look very well done:

http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCar...arID=r188&fc=0

http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCar...arID=r101&fc=0

I'm no spelling bee champ, but recreation is what I like doing when I'm commenting on RE-CREATIONS.

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I'm no spelling bee champ, but recreation is what I like doing when I'm commenting on RE-CREATIONS.

funny how a little bar makes a big diff.. now hand over those keys
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OMG I had to laugh

I thought you wrote recreational as in a recreational vehicle as in an RV, I was expecting this


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+1, it is quite the emotional battle. Even if I could afford a 250 LM or 250 GTO, I am not sure I would ever be comfortable driving it on the track hard. Simply to valuable now to push to the limits. On the other hand, a very professionally done recreation can deliver 90+% of the original experience..............
This is really yet another battle in that most famous of wars, isn't it...

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If I were in the requisite financial league, I would not hesitate to buy a recreation.

Firstly, many of the world's finest cars are sufficiently rare as to not change hands, and when they do, price renders them investments.

Secondly, a well built recreation allows one the enjoyment of the original (or close enough) without worries of destroying something irreplaceable. I have read about GTO and Testa Rossa owners who have commissioned recreations so their originals spend less time on the road. These recreations are nut-and-bolt duplications of the originals: I'm told even the mechanicals (engine block, gear box, etc.) are cast from raw materials, and not transplanted from donor cars!

Needless to say, these types of recreations (clones) are exquisitely expensive, but these are the types of owners who are able to have the best of both worlds!



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Not that I have the funds for either a re-creation nor ( obviously ) the real deal such as these fine examples but even though the emotions of want would be great, I would probably pass. The base reason is that of the Cobra - there are many times more re-creations ( some very good, some not so good ) than the original. I cannot explain why but somehow this seems wrong.

As for the abomination that the person who "created" the Camarossa, we that just ain't right. I saw it last year on e-bay. Someone asked why they should pay over $ 100 000 for this when for less money, an origianl red head could be purchased. The reply was that this was not a Testarossa but a Camrossa and that there was only one. For this last part, I am grateful.

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Not that I have the funds for either a re-creation nor ( obviously ) the real deal such as these fine examples but even though the emotions of want would be great, I would probably pass. The base reason is that of the Cobra - there are many times more re-creations ( some very good, some not so good ) than the original. I cannot explain why but somehow this seems wrong.
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Well put. The thought that there often end up being more reps than originals also struck me recently. This seems across the board from Cobra's to Alfa Romeo Monza's. The danger is that as time passes, the well done reps start to get mixed up with the real cars and confusion reigns. I have also heard of Bugatti's where three "original" cars have been made out of one original-the original engine forms the basis for one car, the original chassis the basis for a second car and the gearbox/body work the basis for a third car.
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I just realised the LM recreation used to live on the floor above my 550 at my specialist in Holland. I've seen the car in person - it is quality work, as you would expect: the current owner had several Ferraris auctioned in Maranello last May and the 166 Inter in today's auction is also his (the Inter was in the Maranello auction but was withdrawn).

It'll be interesting to see what these cars are going for today.


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+1, it is quite the emotional battle. Even if I could afford a 250 LM or 250 GTO, I am not sure I would ever be comfortable driving it on the track hard. Simply to valuable now to push to the limits. On the other hand, a very professionally done recreation can deliver 90+% of the original experience..............
Boxer, to back up your thinking, there was this recreaction for sale (saw it last March in California). Absolutely, meticulously, virtual real thing. I was told that the owner has a real GTO and was too weary to "use the car", therefore, commissioned to recreate this fine example to be driven. w/ smiles Jimmy PS. Sorry,...by mistake, I included several unrelated pics. My apologies. Jimmy
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It really is very hard not to like that. I'm just thankful I don't have the funds to ever be in such a dilemma...

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Interesting how it looks like a 365 GT 2+2 from certain angles, Jimmy!


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Very nicely done. I have also seen a pair at Joe Macari's which were near perfect replications.
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It could be either my eyes or brain (could be both) ...gone ? w/ smiles Jimmy
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It could be either my eyes or brain (could be both) ...gone ? w/ smiles Jimmy
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