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post #1 of 26 Old 08-30-2009, 09:13 AM Thread Starter
 
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How does the Ferrari community treat 348/355 owners?

This question is pretty vague, I know. You may also find it needlessly presumptuous, but here it is:

My experience around the types of people that own, could afford, or would want the newer Ferrari's (and this is by no means a rule, just anecdotal) is that they are vapid, self-absorbed people, the types that will begin insulting you when they meet you to secure their superiority over you. It seems like these owners are often the type that would say, "What is this, a Lamborghini? Oh, it is a Ferrari? 430? OK, cool, I like this one, I'll take it." Yeah, maybe it is unfair, but I hang out with lawyers, real estate people, and brokers frequently at fancy parties and crap, and they are just horrible people, generally. They are consumed with money, that is all they want to talk about.

The main question is in the title, but the sub-question is, "Can Ferrari ownership be separated from a simple tool to display how wealthy and awesome you are?"

For instance, I really like the way the 348 looks, but I see overwhelming evidence that this is a "loser's" Ferrari, just a turd on wheels according to the Ferrari community. If this is true, I digress, but I have a feeling some of the animosity stems from the fact that a person with a modest income (I make 100K which is chump change these days) could afford to buy one and maintain it.

As for the 355, I could probably afford one of these from the research I've done, but I don't want to go to some Ferrari meeting and feel like I am some kind of loser because I don't have an F430 or 360, or because I don't really give a crap about golf or following stocks.

I am wondering if part of the Ferrari culture is that you just have to be in mergers and acquisitions or if it is OK to just be a regular guy (or girl) that loves driving in general, will talk about cars with anyone that will listen, and has decided to take the plunge with an affordable Ferrari because, well, you know what Ferris said.

Thanks. I don't mean to offend, I am just wondering how far off base I am, or if the type of people I am thinking of aren't the type that would bother joining a Ferrari club or message board.
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I'd say you were as far off base as you could be, Shane. I've owned a string of them and was not looked down upon when I owned a 308 GTSi.

Are there car snobs in the Ferrari community? Duh. There are car snobs in the BMW community (3-series vs. 5-, 6-, or 7-series). Duh, again.

You'll be surprised at the acceptance - my impression, anyway. But the number one rule is to do what you like and what makes you happy, and don't give a damn what anyone else thinks...

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Funny that you mentioned BMW - I was just thinking of that after I wrote this, because people always look down on the owners of the last-generation M3, whatever it is, and the last-generation M3 owners look down on everyone that has a 3 Series that isn't an M3, and the people with the 3 Series that isn't an M3 look down upon anyone that doesn't have a manual, LOL.

Great advice at the end there.
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I would say you are very far off base.

The group of Ferrari owners with which I am associated is a great group, most of whom are very well educated and professional, all of whom worked hard to get where they are, and none of whom is condescendining or superior in attitude.

Perceptions come about from misconceptions or insecurities.

You would do well to look upon this in a different light. You will benefit more by so doing.
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You may feel like that around the people you associate with but on this board i would say it is the exact opposite. Anyone who REALLY knows what a ferrari is (and alot of people on this board do) appreciates the older models because they still demonstrate the heritage of where the company came from and how beautiful the cars still are. I feel like a car like the 355 is the kinda car that can easily seperate the true ferrari fans from the pretenders because while the car is gorgeous the pretenders still wont have a clue about it. If you really appreciate the cars then a 348 or 355 will still make you smile like a kid. But naturally there is going to be a mix in every crowd of the snobby type and the kind who have a natural love for the cars. From the people i see on these boards id say more of the second type.
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Funny that you mentioned BMW - I was just thinking of that after I wrote this, because people always look down on the owners of the last-generation M3, whatever it is, and the last-generation M3 owners look down on everyone that has a 3 Series that isn't an M3, and the people with the 3 Series that isn't an M3 look down upon anyone that doesn't have a manual, LOL.
Well, I brought it up because my daily driver is a 128iC. And I was on the 1-series message board for a while and I was amazed at the snide comments made by owners of the 'better' BMWs. Stupifying, if you ask me.

Get yourself a 348 or a 355 and enjoy the hell out of it! You'll find a home here. And trust me, you'll be shocked at the knowledge base on this board. I have learned so much in the somewhat short time I've been tuning in. With the exception of the genesis of the term Giallo FLY, they've answered every question I've ever posted. And, you get to see some wonderful Ferrari 'porn'! lol


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For instance, I really like the way the 348 looks, but I see overwhelming evidence that this is a "loser's" Ferrari, just a turd on wheels according to the Ferrari community.
You've been talking to the wrong people. I own a magnificent 348 and will be happy if I never own any other Ferrari. To suggest there is overwhelming evidence is just beyond silly. People that claim they are junk have never owned, driven, or experienced the car in any way. Further, to suggest the evidence comes from the Ferrari community is ridiculous, it comes from posers.

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You've been talking to the wrong people
+1. My experience with Ferrari owners is that they are very, very accepting of other Ferrari owners, irrespective of what Ferrari is owned. It is fair to say though, that most of the old school owners try and show a bit of modesty and class, and they distance themselves from people who don't.

As for the poser/loser/etc type, well they are there. But they are there in the M3 community, Porsche community, in fact in any exotic car environment.

Also - if you drive a Ferrari, there will ALWAYS be people that think you are a <censored>. No matter what model. So you have to accept that some people will judge you because of the car you drive, that comes with the territory. But 99% of the experience will be positive, I guarantee.


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+1, as per Bastage and Onno.

I drive a 25 yr old 308 and regularly meet up with people who own cars worth 5, 10 even 20 X what mine is worth, some of these people have multiple exotics in their stables, but I have never got the impression that any of them look down on me because I only have a 308. I have always been treated with respect by everyone I have met in the Ferrari community, and generally the owners of multiple exotics are the friendliest and most enthusiastic owners and don't want to be treated like royalty because of the cars they own.

If you stick around on this board, you will get a feel for who is who, who owns what and will learn that we generally all get on regardless of what we drive.

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Have to agree with all the comments above. And I had to laugh at the examples used... I've got a 360 (if you can call it a modern Ferrari - almost 10 yrs old now!), and when I see a 355 I still wonder should I have bought one of those instead (they are gorgous ) But I have to "make do" with an E46 BMW M3 daily driver (the older model).

So what does that make me? I haven't a clue, and couldn't care less.

Shane, I think you'll find that your preconceptions are largely false. Sure there are some Ferrari snobs, just as there are snobs in every walk of life, but in my experience, it doesn't matter what kind of Ferrari car you drive. If you are a Ferrari fan you are a Ferrari fan... end of.

Buy the car you like, and I don't think you'll regret it....
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Hey Shane:

Let me add one more thing. Spend the $25.00 and become an elite member of Ferrari Life. The buyer's guides alone - not to mention the .pdf versions of service manuals and sales brochures - are worth every cent.

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You've been talking to the wrong people. I own a magnificent 348 and will be happy if I never own any other Ferrari. To suggest there is overwhelming evidence is just beyond silly. People that claim they are junk have never owned, driven, or experienced the car in any way. Further, to suggest the evidence comes from the Ferrari community is ridiculous, it comes from posers.

+1 Lane is bang on, the 348 has not only proved it's self it is now a more desirable car in terms of less expense to maintain over it's higher HP brother the 355.

Sure it received bad press in the beginning but the car went through all it's growing pains and by 93 model the car is a monster on wheels.

As far as haters by the car community I have never seen it in fact I see the total opposite, when ever I hang with larger groups of aficionados, they absolutely go bananas for the car.

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Shane;
Interesting. Way over simplified, in that you might be reading too many threads on 'other site[s]' that all of us are familiar.

IF one sorts out the nonsense persons, like an ignore button, you'll see that there is much more non-ego happening.

I've known no true Ferrari owner, dissing other Ferraris, matter of fact many 'other' cars, but takes them on the terms of that model. So, a discussion usally happens. Typical good/bad/in-between etc. and 'some' will take it too far and just trash the model. I usually find those latter persons, to press on to another venue.

Being a part of the community has its share of trubs and a lot of glee to boot.

I would NOT want to diss anyone on their car. I would love to own several models, but can't. A 3x8 or 360/430 would be nice to me in any fashion where I could own and enjoy it....so, why would I[personally] diss it...just saying. My first car was a 3 year old, 1969 1600 BMW. Had a slug of problems and when it was in shape = one exciting car, for the age. Would like to have it in the garage today....

I know some BMWers would thrash it...let them....I was 19 at the time and they could only wish to had been in my shoes.

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Way over simplified, in that you might be reading too many threads on 'other site[s]' that all of us are familiar.
Interesting that you should mention other sites. I was surfing through dealer inventories last night and noticed that the person who sold me my first two Ferraris was no longer at that dealership.

I Googled his name and found it referenced on another Ferrari site. I read about a dozen comments before I realized how lucky that I was to land here at Ferrari Life.

Fine point!

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Interesting that you should mention other sites. I was surfing through dealer inventories last night and noticed that the person who sold me my first two Ferraris was no longer at that dealership.

I Googled his name and found it referenced on another Ferrari site. I read about a dozen comments before I realized how lucky that I was to land here at Ferrari Life.

Fine point!

Yes, I've seen that to: Case in point was Brad at Ferrari's only dealer owned dealership in NA [untill a year ago it was THE WORLD, not even one owned in Italy]. He was trashed and whatever for ONE oversight by a secty. who kept a potential waiting.

Brad IS/WAS my Ferrari knowledge...he even until two/three weeks ago was very gracious with my wife on a couple details when explaining the [in the new show room, SF] a side by side 599 to the CA.

Good to have top quality people. Funny, in the 10 years he was a member he had a total of 3 posts. The #2 was to give away brochures and original sales sheets/window-stickers, the last was a goodbye post as Boardwalk didn't see his value vs outlay of $$$....too bad

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+1, as per Bastage and Onno.

I drive a 25 yr old 308 and regularly meet up with people who own cars worth 5, 10 even 20 X what mine is worth, some of these people have multiple exotics in their stables, but I have never got the impression that any of them look down on me because I only have a 308. I have always been treated with respect by everyone I have met in the Ferrari community, and generally the owners of multiple exotics are the friendliest and most enthusiastic owners and don't want to be treated like royalty because of the cars they own.

If you stick around on this board, you will get a feel for who is who, who owns what and will learn that we generally all get on regardless of what we drive.
+3, the newest Ferrari I own is now 12 years old. I have always been treated well and openly accepted by other Ferrari owners.
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You can always pick on me -- I have a 2-valve injected 308 . . . U.S. model!

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You can always pick on me -- I have a 2-valve injected 308 . . . U.S. model!
And I bet it's wonderful!


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It still looks great though Tony, and we all still speak to you

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I was just at a little show this morning at the local Bentley dealership, it was mostley Ferrari's (355 and up), Lambo's, and other assorted higher end european cars. I was surprised at the interest my car got from everyone, even the owners.

I understand what you are saying but just be proud of what you have, and enjoy it.

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