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1958 250TR Crashes at Monterey Historics

While many events during the Monterey car week simply involve parking classics on a golf course, we can appreciate the fact that many vintage car owners are willing to put their priceless automobiles on a track. While the Monterey Historics do everything they can to promote the safety of both cars and drivers, there is never a guarantee that accidents won't happen. We were reminded of that fact this weekend when a 1958 Ferrari 250 TR completely lost it's brakes before Laguna Sega's Corkscrew, caught air while going through the gravel trap, and came to a stop only after hitting a tire wall.

This particular TR, owned by David Love, has been a regular at the Monterey Historics and other vintage events for more than 15 years, so it was especially tough to see it get banged up. From what we've heard, Love was shaken up but is okay, and the car can be repaired.

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I do not understand why some folks feel the need to prove and subject themselves and their vintage beauties to such potential disaster.

It reminds me of the privately owned F1 car 3 years ago at Laguna Seca in the hands of its inexperienced owner that spun and collided and lost its entire front end! The photo showed the car at rest with the driver's feet and legs hanging out the front!

The car was destroyed!
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It was certainly a beautiful car before the crash, let's hope they fix it properly. These cars were built for racing and have probably already been repaired a dozen times.

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Great images Mike! Thanks.

Personally I think it is cool to see these cars being used for the purpose for which they were intended These guys really enjoy themselves and I guess accidents are just part of the game.

The positive is that he is alive and well, and will no doubt dine out on this story for many years to come!


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I've heard the driver/owner's story a few times as he always brings his car to Sonoma for races: he has no qualms about racing his car, and was, as the Adm. Phillips, quite fortunate to find this vehicle way back when, and, as Adm. Phillips enjoys racing it, showing it, and having fun.

When either person acquired their car, it was for more than they thought possible in that day. Today, of course the price has gone up the collector's ladder. They are happy to keep that detail in their minds as they enjoy the use of the object, but, I'm guessing they still feel they should drive it like it was meant. Both owners fix their own vehicles, so, it's their passion.

I am glad he does so, and we get a chance to see them do what they were designed to do.

Now, all ya' go out, buy some racing tires, 5-point constraints, roll-cages and get with it

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I do not see your 456 on that track with the Nitto's!!!


BTW I have to get with you to return that lathe.
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I do not see your 456 on that track with the Nitto's!!!
true. sold the extra set of wheel right off: 456 is NOT a track car IMO. I know some do, but it's not suited for heavy in the corner, and only meant to run against it's own class, which I'm guessing will not ever happen.


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BTW I have to get with you to return that lathe.
ya' ya' theats threats......

If I dont' get around to pulling my plugs on the 456 soon, I'm sending it to Brian C for a lookie-see. Turned off the electronics [another issue] while in Monterey couple weekends ago, and BIG/HUGE mistake. Brian said it should have sorted out in a few min. as usual, but the computer didn't do well. Sounded like fouled plugs, or injectors or ????

go home, could tell something was wrong, but it wasn't 'that bad' and next morning: SOOT out the passenger's side exhaust all over the rear -- how foolish or a fool I felt...must have looked quite the sight.

Anyway, need to pull the plugs, clean, inspect the cylinders, or ????

of to brian == can get the lathe then .. unless you want it out earlier....

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I would run Redline Injector cleaner through that.

I had a somewhat similar problem like that about 15 years ago in a 7 series BMW from some bad gas I bought in Sacto.

W/in a few days the Redline had those injectors running perfectly.

Give that a try.

Also how old is your battery?
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I would run Redline Injector cleaner through that.

I had a somewhat similar problem like that about 15 years ago in a 7 series BMW from some bad gas I bought in Sacto.

W/in a few days the Redline had those injectors running perfectly.

Give that a try.

Also how old is your battery?

Battery < three months old, alternator = good to go.

Nitto tires are kinda good too...nice alternative. OFF to the Smother's parts store redline injector cleaner...

how about gas cleaner too? well or something equiv.

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Injector cleaner goes in the fuel of course.

So try that first.

You may have bought some bad gas.
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Injector cleaner goes in the fuel of course.

So try that first.

You may have bought some bad gas.

I understand the injector into gas, was wondering about some gas additions to clean out water or such.

it wasn't the gas station : Shell, Salinas.....it was turning off the battery switch, when I had a 'dead' start problem...something else going on there with electrical....

I screwed up..should have listened to bo......guy thing, BUT I DID ASK FOR DIRECTIONS at the station....remember looking at some girls rear too

[ok, slinking off to wife doesn't catch me.]

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Great images Mike! Thanks.

Personally I think it is cool to see these cars being used for the purpose for which they were intended These guys really enjoy themselves and I guess accidents are just part of the game.

The positive is that he is alive and well, and will no doubt dine out on this story for many years to come!


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+1, it is great to see owners still use these cars as they were intended. Much better than just parking them on the grass with a bit of extra polish to impress the crowds. Accidents happen, almost all will have been in a few over since they left the factory. Get it repaired and get back out on the track.
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Look closely at this photo and you'll see a video camera attached to the roll bar!

Now the schmuck can view his inabilities repeatedly first hand!!!
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Look closely at this photo and you'll see a video camera attached to the roll bar!

Now the schmuck can view his inabilities repeatedly first hand!!!
Disagree on this one. Personally I have a lot of respect for owners that take these great race cars out and still use them as they are intended. Drivers make mistakes, accidents happen, and the car then gets repaired. See a group of 60's and 70's Ferrari race cars thundering down the straight at Silverstone or Monza is still fantastic.
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I do understand.

I guess I tend to be more protective of my assets knowing what I went through to acquire them.

I keep thinking of the destroyed F1 car at Laguna Seca with the owner/driver's legs hanging out the front section after it was broken off!
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I do understand.

I guess I tend to be more protective of my assets knowing what I went through to acquire them.

I keep thinking of the destroyed F1 car at Laguna Seca with the owner/driver's legs hanging out the front section after it was broken off!

IIRC, this owner bought this car back in early 70's or there about, before they became too cherrished....

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Well now he has two halves instead of one whole!!!
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Well now he has two halves instead of one whole!!!

but that still makes for all the pieces for one car

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Yes but he now needs super glue!!!
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