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Pre-Purchase inspection (Los Gatos, CA area)

In my quest to buy my first Ferrari I've come upon a 360 Modena in Los Gatos and I'd like to get a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before I fly out from the East Coast to test drive/buy. The two local Ferrari Dealers and the alternate non-dealer do not appear to want to do PPI. I'll call them back today and beg (unless anyone has any recommendations).

I also found this company CARCHEX who does a 155 point inspection. I don't suspect they are a good substitute for a Ferrari specialist performed PPI, but wonder if anyone has experience with them. I'm thinking they may be a good "add-on" to the PPI.

Thanks in advance for your advise and recommendations.
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In my quest to buy my first Ferrari I've come upon a 360 Modena in Los Gatos and I'd like to get a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before I fly out from the East Coast to test drive/buy. The two local Ferrari Dealers and the alternate non-dealer do not appear to want to do PPI. I'll call them back today and beg (unless anyone has any recommendations).

I also found this company CARCHEX who does a 155 point inspection. I don't suspect they are a good substitute for a Ferrari specialist performed PPI, but wonder if anyone has experience with them. I'm thinking they may be a good "add-on" to the PPI.

Thanks in advance for your advise and recommendations.
BTw, here's the site if anyone wants to check it out: http://www.carchex.com/
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In my quest to buy my first Ferrari I've come upon a 360 Modena in Los Gatos and I'd like to get a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before I fly out from the East Coast to test drive/buy. The two local Ferrari Dealers and the alternate non-dealer do not appear to want to do PPI. I'll call them back today and beg (unless anyone has any recommendations).

I also found this company CARCHEX who does a 155 point inspection. I don't suspect they are a good substitute for a Ferrari specialist performed PPI, but wonder if anyone has experience with them. I'm thinking they may be a good "add-on" to the PPI.

Thanks in advance for your advise and recommendations.
Andrew or Gcalo might be able to recommend someone to do the PPI.
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In my quest to buy my first Ferrari I've come upon a 360 Modena in Los Gatos and I'd like to get a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before I fly out from the East Coast to test drive/buy. The two local Ferrari Dealers and the alternate non-dealer do not appear to want to do PPI. I'll call them back today and beg (unless anyone has any recommendations).

I also found this company CARCHEX who does a 155 point inspection. I don't suspect they are a good substitute for a Ferrari specialist performed PPI, but wonder if anyone has experience with them. I'm thinking they may be a good "add-on" to the PPI.

Thanks in advance for your advise and recommendations.
And I quote from the movie Forrest Gump.....RUN FORREST RUN!!!!!. In today's economy "WHY"!!! would a seller "NOT" agree for a potential buyer to do a PPI???...Does the term "Red Flag" have any meaning!?. My first question amongst many would be ....How many 360 Modenas are on the East Coast for sale? How many have you looked at and test drove?. Sounds like an impluse purchase or the possibilty to be one!!!. SAVE the airplane ticket money and concentrate on local cars....That you can SEE, TOUCH, and DRIVE....Metaphorically speaking.....There are lot's of pretty "girls" at the dance....Dance with ALL of them and THEN take one "Prettiest One Home!".....Mark.
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And I quote from the movie Forrest Gump.....RUN FORREST RUN!!!!!. In today's economy "WHY"!!! would a seller "NOT" agree for a potential buyer to do a PPI???...Does the term "Red Flag" have any meaning!?. My first question amongst many would be ....How many 360 Modenas are on the East Coast for sale? How many have you looked at and test drove?. Sounds like an impluse purchase or the possibilty to be one!!!. SAVE the airplane ticket money and concentrate on local cars....That you can SEE, TOUCH, and DRIVE....Metaphorically speaking.....There are lot's of pretty "girls" at the dance....Dance with ALL of them and THEN take one "Prettiest One Home!".....Mark.
I second redheads advice. To add to that, you can save on shipping cost for the car if you pick one up locally! I only shopped within 500 miles of my area (NJ) and was able to find myself my baby. Good Luck with your search!

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In today's economy "WHY"!!! would a seller "NOT" agree for a potential buyer to do a PPI???
The way I read it it is not the seller refusing, but the dealers refusing to perform the PPI on a car which is (I'm extrapolating) not for sale at an official dealership.

So this could mean it is a perfectly fine car. But if this is the case, you still need to get a PPI from a Ferrari specialist. You don't need to use an official dealer, just find a reputable independent. Bill Noon (http://www.symbolicmotors.com/abouts...bolicemail.php) has a good reputation in California on all things Ferrari, perhaps he could inspect the car or recommend someone for you?


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The way I read it it is not the seller refusing, but the dealers refusing to perform the PPI on a car which is (I'm extrapolating) not for sale at an official dealership.

So this could mean it is a perfectly fine car. But if this is the case, you still need to get a PPI from a Ferrari specialist. You don't need to use an official dealer, just find a reputable independent. Bill Noon (http://www.symbolicmotors.com/abouts...bolicemail.php) has a good reputation in California on all things Ferrari, perhaps he could inspect the car or recommend someone for you?


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JazzyO - You're correct (sorry to others if I wasn't clear). The dealers refuse to do PPI, stating it's too much of a liability (the seller is completely fine doing so).

Thanks for the Bill Noon lead. I also plan to call Brian Crall's shop again.

As for why the West coast, two things 1) all the searches I've done for this 360 have lead me to this car on the West Coast (those nearby are either higher priced or don't have the options I want, eg badgets, grills or mileage is off) and 2) I thought it would be nice to make a trip of it and drive cross country (or partially) so I could hit things like US 1, Zion National Park, etc. At the moment I'm thinking of getting it from Los Gatos to Salt Lake and shipping the rest of the way.

Thanks again for all the feedback!!
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In my quest to buy my first Ferrari I've come upon a 360 Modena in Los Gatos and I'd like to get a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before I fly out from the East Coast to test drive/buy. The two local Ferrari Dealers and the alternate non-dealer do not appear to want to do PPI. I'll call them back today and beg (unless anyone has any recommendations).

I also found this company CARCHEX who does a 155 point inspection. I don't suspect they are a good substitute for a Ferrari specialist performed PPI, but wonder if anyone has experience with them. I'm thinking they may be a good "add-on" to the PPI.

Thanks in advance for your advise and recommendations.

One of the best in the biz: Brian Crall, highly respected

I'm thinking bad timing and some are just too busy, but he may guide you ton someone: PS: Tell him 'hi' from Rik

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I know he's in the area this week, BUT, remember next week is TAdaaa

concorso...Brian will prob. be at quail.
as most of his gang

thinking you'll be out of luck until after that...everyone is very busy getting ready for the Pebble etc.

BTW: have a friend, Mike Wilson, entering three cars there, Jags. he is respons. for over 500 1st places in various events.

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Granucci - Thanks! As it turns out, I spoke with Brian Crall yesterday, and after some long winded explanations and slight begging from me, he has agreed to do the PPI. I'm very happy about this (makes me feel much better about this possible purchase). I'll tell him you said hi when I call him next.

Now, as for an overall "esthetic check", should I pay Carchex for the "online report" and pictures? Anyone in the Los Gatos area want to swing by and take a look to let me know if this car looks "as advertised"?

Suggestions welcomed.

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One of the best in the biz: Brian Crall, highly respected

I'm thinking bad timing and some are just too busy, but he may guide you ton someone: PS: Tell him 'hi' from Rik

925 552 9700

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I know he's in the area this week, BUT, remember next week is TAdaaa

concorso...Brian will prob. be at quail.
as most of his gang

thinking you'll be out of luck until after that...everyone is very busy getting ready for the Pebble etc.

BTW: have a friend, Mike Wilson, entering three cars there, Jags. he is respons. for over 500 1st places in various events.

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PPI and West Coast : BUMP

I know Brian Crall lately will NOT do any more PPI's off the street, and I not only respect him but totally understand the motivations.

Don't know how FerrariQuest's deal went down, perhaps I can jiggle BC's memory, but highly doubt it since so much time has been spent.

So, here are some issues, on the West Coast Bay Area for PPI that one might consider in today's climate:

1. Most private or indi shops will NOT want to get involved anymore
.a No money in it: They amount they charge, time from other jobs etc. can be better earned/spent doing real work for customers needing their cars, like, NOW. Work is abundant, and good mechs are scarce = $$$ vs TIME.
.b The contracting party typically has 'complaints' somewhere in the PPI stating that perhaps the inspector 'missed' or 'qualified' something only to find the inspector DIDN'T qualify or miss much. Lots of liability for a small shop, in there and why the heartache?
2. Put the results in writing is what is typically needed, but from a 'walkin' it's lawsuit waiting to happen: Why bother.
3. Dealers, might do, but typically will NOT do except for the owner. The owner typically must do the contracting for PPI service. Agian, there are 'issues' where a dealership may do such. I know, when Ferrari of San Francisco was owned by Ferrai they 'might' perform [special] but honestly would even turn down 'valued customers' they knew.

IF the OWNER will allow the inspection, it will be put in writing and should be allowed from owner to the requestor's EYES ONLY. That is, if I were paying for it, I would retain it and no one else has rights to it.

There can be that endless cycle of many PPIs which typically means the initiated owner will NOT do them even on request, but will allow the potential buyer to expend on their own, and via an inspector of the potential's own choosing: Why would anyone want to trust seller's inspector or even thwart a buyer's choice.

All this can and should be debated

4. Do NOT, expect it to be a warranty, that there are NOT other issues, or that what was inspected will NOT go 'south' in < 5 miles out the door.

A good mech/inspector who would know the car in question should be able to shake the loose basic nuts out of the cage, but doesn't mean every one was found. IT is a 'here are the major and minor [perhaps] issues that can be readily ascertained, and what it might cost you, via me the inspector if in the biz, to make it right OR what 'might' happen should you let it go.

The PPI is a good negotiation tool and truthfully 'sometimes is full of it too'.

So, why the bother: agian, the last two paragragraphs spell out the major.
Known quantities, what to expect, perhaps, and what this means in terms of total value today.

We are talking non-vintaged, very expensive items here, where solid inspectors who absolutely know the vehicle in question in terms of correctness, must be hired to help the large purchase: BTW, big purchasers in the six-seven+ figures can be fooled or led wrong.
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Perhaps a entire thread devoted to PPI as a wiki [I'll keep pushing this feature] would be best, as this subject comes up a lot and I never seem to exactly regurgitate the editorial prose like some things.

Besides, many other, better qualified owners here have posted better comments.

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To close the loop on this, you're 100% right and this is the exact conversation I had with Brian Crall. In the end, I think I lucked out that the prior owner was a prior customer of Brian's, so I got the PPI and a great car. I can't say enough good things about Brian's shop, both Brians and the work they did on my Ferrari!

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I know Brian Crall lately will NOT do any more PPI's off the street, and I not only respect him but totally understand the motivations.

Don't know how FerrariQuest's deal went down, perhaps I can jiggle BC's memory, but highly doubt it since so much time has been spent.

So, here are some issues, on the West Coast Bay Area for PPI that one might consider in today's climate:

1. Most private or indi shops will NOT want to get involved anymore
.a No money in it: They amount they charge, time from other jobs etc. can be better earned/spent doing real work for customers needing their cars, like, NOW. Work is abundant, and good mechs are scarce = $$$ vs TIME.
.b The contracting party typically has 'complaints' somewhere in the PPI stating that perhaps the inspector 'missed' or 'qualified' something only to find the inspector DIDN'T qualify or miss much. Lots of liability for a small shop, in there and why the heartache?
2. Put the results in writing is what is typically needed, but from a 'walkin' it's lawsuit waiting to happen: Why bother.
3. Dealers, might do, but typically will NOT do except for the owner. The owner typically must do the contracting for PPI service. Agian, there are 'issues' where a dealership may do such. I know, when Ferrari of San Francisco was owned by Ferrai they 'might' perform [special] but honestly would even turn down 'valued customers' they knew.

IF the OWNER will allow the inspection, it will be put in writing and should be allowed from owner to the requestor's EYES ONLY. That is, if I were paying for it, I would retain it and no one else has rights to it.

There can be that endless cycle of many PPIs which typically means the initiated owner will NOT do them even on request, but will allow the potential buyer to expend on their own, and via an inspector of the potential's own choosing: Why would anyone want to trust seller's inspector or even thwart a buyer's choice.

All this can and should be debated

4. Do NOT, expect it to be a warranty, that there are NOT other issues, or that what was inspected will NOT go 'south' in < 5 miles out the door.

A good mech/inspector who would know the car in question should be able to shake the loose basic nuts out of the cage, but doesn't mean every one was found. IT is a 'here are the major and minor [perhaps] issues that can be readily ascertained, and what it might cost you, via me the inspector if in the biz, to make it right OR what 'might' happen should you let it go.

The PPI is a good negotiation tool and truthfully 'sometimes is full of it too'.

So, why the bother: agian, the last two paragragraphs spell out the major.
Known quantities, what to expect, perhaps, and what this means in terms of total value today.

We are talking non-vintaged, very expensive items here, where solid inspectors who absolutely know the vehicle in question in terms of correctness, must be hired to help the large purchase: BTW, big purchasers in the six-seven+ figures can be fooled or led wrong.
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Perhaps a entire thread devoted to PPI as a wiki [I'll keep pushing this feature] would be best, as this subject comes up a lot and I never seem to exactly regurgitate the editorial prose like some things.

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Congrats FerrariQuest:
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Haven't been there in awhile have you

'little' Brian [Kegan] moved to Sacto to become the parts manager for FerrParts.com great place for parts that are used. Brian Crall hated to see him go, but someone like little B [he used to be with Rutlands too IIRC], couldn't be held back: Both are pros.

Hope to see lill' Brian this next weekend at the Infineon Challenge Events, May 1-2.

NOW: POST you pics

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Congrats FerrariQuest:

Haven't been there in awhile have you

'little' Brian [Kegan] moved to Sacto to become the parts manager for FerrParts.com great place for parts that are used. Brian Crall hated to see him go, but someone like little B [he used to be with Rutlands too IIRC], couldn't be held back: Both are pros.

Hope to see lill' Brian this next weekend at the Infineon Challenge Events, May 1-2.

NOW: POST you pics
Yea, it's been since Sept. '09 since I was there (when I flew in to buy the 360). Brian K. was really nice during the whole process and thereafter, so let him know I said hi and wish him the best at his new gig. As for pics, you can see the ones I posted here: http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/sh...t=10256&page=2
http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/sh...t=10256&page=3
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