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F1 transmission at long stop lights

Sorry for the sophmoric question being posed to you more experienced and knowledgeble about these cars:

At a long stop light, should I 1: Put the car into neutral by pulling back both paddles 2: Take my foot off the brake and allow the car to go into neutral by itself 3: Not bother doing either and keep my foot on the brake?

I ask to determine the best way to preserve the clutch AND throwout bearing as I understand the F1 only puts the car into true neutral when you allow it to do so on its own. I understand that pulling both paddles back will designate neutral on the indicator, but the clutch will still be pushed in and the thowout bearing will be spinning.

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Forget about the T/O bearing. Remember that it's a <b>bearing</b>! It has been designed to turn. That's not anything about which you should be concerned.

However, I am told that for F1's either keep your foot on the brake or put into neutral.

Either scenario keeps the disk free from slippage.
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I prefer neutral...no need for a ripping start, as some clown may run a stop light...

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I think you'll find Gcalo is essentially correct on all counts. That is, you should either be (1) in gear with foot firmly on the brake or (2) in neutral with foot on or off the brake. The 360 F1 system is slightly different from manual in that when the car is stopped the system keeps it's foot on the clutch peddle regardless of whether in gear or neutral so the clutch plate is always withdrawn (i.e., no slipage) and the TO bearing is always spinning

I found leaving the car in neutral while stopped is aggrivating and potentially dangerous, especially with foot off the brake. I end up fumbling to get on the brake & shift while people are honking or an emergency vehicle approaches and I can't get my car moving. Since it's all the same to the TO bearing, I usually just leave it in gear with foot firmly on the brake so it's quick and easy to move off when appropriate.

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Hey Guys This little F1 special feature is a pain i the A--! Don't you agree? a #1 on my list of "Go Away" for Ferrari. I know there is some reason why they designed this Brake pressure, and "slip to neutral" crap, but this is just wrong for the real world. I live in LA, and when I am in the middle of an intersection and massive traffic, I want control of my clutch, OK? I think I should post "My worst Ferrari Moment". You won't believe it.

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Hey Guys This little F1 special feature is a pain i the A--! Don't you agree? a #1 on my list of "Go Away" for Ferrari. I know there is some reason why they designed this Brake pressure, and "slip to neutral" crap, but this is just wrong for the real world. I live in LA, and when I am in the middle of an intersection and massive traffic, I want control of my clutch, OK? I think I should post "My worst Ferrari Moment". You won't believe it.
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It should be designed to go to true neutral when you pull both paddles back and have your foot on the brake.
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It should be designed to go to true neutral when you pull both paddles back and have your foot on the brake.
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What about an actual Clutch peddle to put into neutral if need (traffic), or it could be a small third paddle on the left paddle much like F1 cars, right? Isn't that why the F1 tranny is wanted?

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Will not work due to the programming nature of the F1 system.
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Will not work due to the programming nature of the F1 system.
Get a different programmer.

A simple overide function that is acuated.

Maybe a "Heavy Traffic" selector on the steering wheel?

Or maybe, simplified access to the clutch, so you change it like a CD?

Some thoughts,

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Actually Ferrari already has this.

It's called a 6 speed manual!!!
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I know You guys have probably already dioscussed this at length, but...

Is there any truth to the rumor that there will be no new models with a 6-speed manual?
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With Ferrari's history I am sure they will always offer 6 speed manuals in some models.

The dual clutch transmission seems to be a major step for them but for sure it will work because it's German designed!

It's for damn certain it should be far less problematic than the F1.
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With Ferrari's history I am sure they will always offer 6 speed manuals in some models.
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+1, I am sure it will always at least be kept as an option on at least the 2 seaters.

Just looking at the secondary market, despite the premium charged for the F1 when new, the models that are most sought after are 360s and 575s with 6 speed manuals.
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And the thought of those problems is why I have a 6 speed.
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