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Hi Everyone, Im looking for a F car.

Hi everyone...

I have been into the ford scene for a while mainly as my Dad had a Sierra Cosworth whilst i was growing up, i have one myself now, i have owned a Escort Cosworth and a few other quite quick cars,

But now i want to fulfill my childhood dream of owning a Ferrari.

I recently inherited a house and a bit of cash. after paying for a new focus rs, i decided i want a Ferrari. So i decided im going to have one and stop playing with old fords.. So i can realisticly afford about 25k ( i can spend more, but i would like to keep it under 30k) on the car so thats 308 - 348 money.

what F car will be best for my money? PS i know they can be expencive to run and service.

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Welcome to the site.
1. Put some of that money into an account, say about six months worth for the 'one off' unexpected 'emergency' stuff. Not just talking cars here and I don't know your age, but guessing you should always have a buffer.

2. You will NOT want the 348 on that budget. Tune costs are about USD $5,000-8,000+ in your area every 3 years or 30,000 miles, and then there are 'other items' I'm quite sure you will run into. Rock engine, but issues elsewhere guaranteed.

3. 308 ONLY if sorted out. Get a good PPI to understand that purchase. http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=10072

4. Download the Buyer's guide at the top. I did so in all my cases and found them VERY helpful...not a shameless plug, but worth the paper written on.

5. Keep asking questions, a bit more specific, when you decide on which model[s] you might want....some of the questions right off you must answer is: what is this vehicle going to be used for? what other vehicle must you have when a Ferrari is not operating when needed [not saying, but sometimes they can be in a shop]. Decide on a budget per year.

6. You might want to get a test drive/hang with some local groups to better understand Ferraris.

It took me a few years to 'pull the trigger' only wished I had done it earlier.

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He's in London...he'd be better off to stay on his own continent.. he'll get a lot of help here from UK people.

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Elvis, welcome to FL,

As Granucci says, do you homework before you buy a Ferrari, don't just buy the cheapest one because it looks cheap. Read the buyers guide and ask lots of questions.

For the budget you have, you are going to be looking at a 308 or 328, both are ideal first Ferrari's. I started with a 328 just over 3 years ago and now have a 308, and have loved both of them.

A well sorted 328 is going to be at the top end of your budget, maybe even as high as 35K depending on where you buy and the condition it's in.

A good early carb 308 is going to be in the region of 20K - 25K, and so will a later model 308 QV.

You must remember that the oldest 308's are over 30 years old now and even the youngest 328's are 20 yrs old. Even a well sorted car will have little issues, probably electrical. My 25 yr old 308 is in excellent condition, but the wiring and fuse box are 25 years old and have started to degrade, they need replacing sooner or later.

You can't run a 3x8 on a Ford budget, but if you allow 1500 a year and 3000 every 3 years you should have some change if you buy well.


If you want expert advice, I suggest that you talk to Tim Walker at Walkersport or Ben Cartwright at Nick Cartwrights. Both will give you sound advice and won't push you into buying one of their cars. Ben is excellent, and I have bought both of my Ferrari's from him.

Good luck

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I can second archie's opinion on Nick Cartwright's. I bought my 360 from them and both Ben and Nick were very straight, easy to deal with and did exactly what they said they would, with no pressure. I would certainly talk to them about a 238 / 308....
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I can second archie's opinion on Nick Cartwright's. I bought my 360 from them and both Ben and Nick were very straight, easy to deal with and did exactly what they said they would, with no pressure. I would certainly talk to them about a 238 / 308....
Like Barry said, Nick, Ben and Jamie (Nick's other son) are genuine and very down to earth. No pressure from them, they know their cars will sell themselves because they are so well prepared.

I first visited them about 5 years ago, spent the whole of a Saturday morning with them. Ben took me round the workshop, then up to the showroom at their place, took me out in a couple of cars. Nick & Ben gave me loads of really useful advice over a 3 hour period, even though they must have realised after a few minutes that I was at least a year away from ownership.

A lot of dealers wouldn't have given me the time of day if they knew I wasn't in the market at that time. I never forgot that, and as soon as I had the funds to buy a Ferrari, there was only one place I was going to buy it from.

Likewise, when I was ready to buy my second Ferrari, I was on the phone to them and no one else.

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Nice contrast to a broker I visited to view a 330GTC, Archie. I had a 2 hour visit, had arrived in my 550, told him about my 365BB, and clearly indicated I was ready for a 330GTC and still I was not allowed a test drive (even though he had already started the engine). "I'd rather do that when you are more serious about the car.", he said. I bought a different, more expensive, car the next day!

Some people really are not very smart about customers. I wonder how they even survive, if this is the way they treat the serious people.

Perhaps he was sensing I didn't like the car all that much, but still - I will never forget not being taken seriously, and I will never, ever, buy a car from him in future (let alone recommend him to other people). It would have been smarter of him to let me part with a good feeling about the broker but a so-so feeling about the car.


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Just pulled these classifieds of the FOC GB site, some reasonable priced cars.

308 GTS
1978, FSH. Complete rebuild 5000 miles ago (fully documented). Rosso Corsa with black trim (new). Cambelt service & MOT just completed. New rear tyres and stainless steel exhaust. Near Concours condition. 22,500. Contact Alec 02476 418872. (6/2009)

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308 GTS QV
1985 C. Red/Magnolia, red piping, red carpets. Deep front spoiler, red rear aerofoil, air conditioning, and most importantly 16 in Speedline wheels. 43,000 miles. Masses of history. Very nice number. 18,500. 01483 300882, or M. 07785 937756. (5/2009)

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308 GTS
36k miles, 1980, carbs, red over tan, FSH, beautiful example owned by me for 9 years, very original, concours respray in 2004 by Stallion, new XWXs all round, air con, tools, jack etc. Appeared at the FOC Concours and Supercar Sundays. Cambelts 200 miles ago by Shiltech. 12 months tax. Reluctant sale, 26999, n/c, 07921 786797 [email protected]. (4/2009)

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308 GTS
Rossa/Crema 1978. Carbs. MOT & taxed. Private plate. Bodywork/paintwork renovated 2005 photos available. Full cam belt service 2007. Waxoiled. Stainless steel exhaust. 41,000 miles since new. Dry weather use only. Present owner 10 years. Beautiful car. Reluctant sale. 21,500 ovno. Tel 01929 471804 (home) or 07789 910775 (mobile). Dorset. (3/2009)

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308 GTS QV
Red with black leather (red carpets), lovely original condition, complete with handbook and toolkit etc. Loads of service history, bills, receipts and old MOTs. Recent alloy wheel refurb, and new tyres. Cambelt service, new clutch and alternator Feb '09, ready for the summer! 19,850. Please call 07920 796023 for more details. (3/2009)

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308 GTB
1979. Rosso Corsa/Crema leather with full service history (all receipts from new). Photographic body restoration, new shocks & springs. New stainless sports exhaust. Cambelt & aircon service just carried out. Have owned car for 9 years. Runs & looks beautiful. 18,000. Kevin 07803 018647 [email protected]. (3/2009)

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figures yours would be the most expensive

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figures yours would be the most expensive
Looking at the price of QV's (like mine) they are cheaper than carb 308's.

TBH, I got mine at a very good price, it's value doesn't concern me as it isn't for sale - well not unless I can do a straight swap for my old 328 GTS.

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Nice contrast to a broker I visited to view a 330GTC, Archie. I had a 2 hour visit, had arrived in my 550, told him about my 365BB, and clearly indicated I was ready for a 330GTC and still I was not allowed a test drive (even though he had already started the engine). "I'd rather do that when you are more serious about the car.", he said. I bought a different, more expensive, car the next day!

Some people really are not very smart about customers. I wonder how they even survive, if this is the way they treat the serious people.

Perhaps he was sensing I didn't like the car all that much, but still - I will never forget not being taken seriously, and I will never, ever, buy a car from him in future (let alone recommend him to other people). It would have been smarter of him to let me part with a good feeling about the broker but a so-so feeling about the car.


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It still surprises me to hear stories like this, but it still goes on. I really can't understand the attitude of some dealers and traders, they deserve to go bust. Naturally, a dealer has got to establish early on if the customer is genuine and has the means/desire/motivation to buy a car, but clearly in your case he didn't do a very good job.

Speaking from personal experience in the UK, I have to say all of the dealers I have spoken to have been very accomodating, even when I went to Graypaul back in 1995 and was living in a dreamworld thinking I could afford a Ferrari back then.

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Never forget the Pantera bought in 72. Went to the Lincoln dealership in Dallas Texas with my Sweat Shirt turned in side out, all kind of paint on it as it was a remnant from Hell Week, ripped pants and sneakers. Sales personel were dressed to the hilt, show room crystal chandollers etc and sales was actually going to let this young poorly dressed youth test drive this Italian Rocket. Well you guessed --bought it on the spot! Had a number of laughs afterwords on delivery day with sales staff. They learned a lesson obviously prior to that day you can't judge a customer by it's cover.
Unfortunately that car did not last and was sold prior to 246 purchase.
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sniffing a tire thumper vs a potential buyer is as much on the buyer's as seller's presentation.

Saw some Panteras couple weeks ago: still look sexy, remember in early 70's when I heard $10k min, for one and thinking WAY out of range...but I was just a tweenie then, starving with a wife, kid and scholarship to Univ.....now living the dream...that eldest child just went back to Monterey yesterday after a nice visit.

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sniffing a tire thumper vs a potential buyer is as much on the buyer's as seller's presentation.
Exactly. I arrived in my 550 Maranello for a reason...


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