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post #1 of 10 Old 02-06-2009, 12:04 AM Thread Starter
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Porsche Panamera

What's everyone's take on the car? Anyone here have one on order? Is Porsche screwed given the economic situation?
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I don't particularly care for the Panamera; I don't care for the styling, and I don't care for the idea of a "sports sedan". If I'm going to own a 4-door sedan or saloon, it's going to be all about comfort and luxury. Like . . . a Vanden Plas.

It's a philosophical thing for me: If I want a sports car, I want to go all out, no compromises. Four seats and a large boot compromise the intrinsic purpose of a sports car. Taking a large car that can carry four or five people in comfort is inherently at odds with the concept of sports car. So anything that tries to be both is just not for me.

With that said, I disagree with people who blabber about "watering down the marque" or "ruining the brand"* when talking about Porsche's SUV and sedan. Porsche has built all kinds of weird vehicles since the 1950s, including a small number of what amount to an SUV. The people who think Porsche is all about 911 Turbos and Carrera GTs don't have a clue. With the hopes of not sounding too cheeky, I'll repeat the often repeated sentiment that what Porsche is all about is excellence. They build excellent machinery by any standard. I'm sure the Panamera is just that. And if Porsche grow to become a major auto maker by continuing to diversify their lineup, then more power to them.


* I've never seen the word "brand" used so much in my life when referring to actual products as when I read the posts of the idiots on FerrariChat. They are so hooked on marketing that they think everything is about the "brand". They have no cognition or regard whatsoever for the product and its actual qualities. ugh.

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What's everyone's take on the car? Anyone here have one on order? Is Porsche screwed given the economic situation?
Not my kind of car, but having said that, it is a Porsche so will no doubt be capable of 300K miles without ever breaking down. Not as nice looking as the Maserati QP.

I think Porsche are more likely to survive the economic crisis than many other manufacturers, I'm sure I read somewhere that they are sitting on billions and billions of euros. Didn't they also take the hedge funds to the cleaners over VW shares a couple of months ago? Anyone who can afford to buy out the VW group can't be that short of cash.

Although they have suspended production and laid off some staff, I think they are just trying to run their business based on expected future income rather than using up their reserves.

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I have no definite opinion on the car. It is priced above the GT3 and just below the Turbo...It does sound and look pretty good. It seems like a decent competitor for the Maserati QP.

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I'm with Tony on this one. If it has room for 4 people and they all have their own door then it's not a supercar. I also think it's pretty ugly. Combine that with the fact that I'm totally annoyed with Porsche for building 17.000 types of 911's who are all pretty much the same (they have the laziest designers in the world) but not really (which is utterly confusing) and you might figure that I'm not a great fan of porsche.

Having said that... it's probably gonna be real popular with soccer players in the UK. Always a great yardstick to measure a car against. It's also probably gonna be a really good car that's technically about as perfect as can be. But it's still a porsche
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Chris, Excellent video, thanks for posting.
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Thanx for the video, Chris. Never seen the car in motion before. No comment, no interest. Right now, probably the only Porsche that interests me would be the GT3RS. w/ smiles Jimmy
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Thanx for the video, Chris. Never seen the car in motion before. No comment, no interest. Right now, probably the only Porsche that interests me would be the GT3RS. w/ smiles Jimmy
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Not my cup of tea personally, but then neither is the Cayenne. I would however love a TDV8 Range Rover.

We have a relatively specific concept (physical, emotional etc etc etc) of what a Sportscar is or rather should be. I think that Tony hits it on the head...

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It's a philosophical thing for me: If I want a sports car, I want to go all out, no compromises. Four seats and a large boot compromise the intrinsic purpose of a sports car. Taking a large car that can carry four or five people in comfort is inherently at odds with the concept of sports car. So anything that tries to be both is just not for me.
I think that Porsche in creating the Panamera are trying to create a segment in the sportscar/GT market to cater for those people who would not buy a 'traditional' sportscar because it doesn't allow them to share the experience with more than one person.

IMHO this car is not targetted at the NA/Western Europe markets, I think this is aimed at the emerging ME and Asian markets where the 'family' is a central tenet of daily life and therefore a 4 door, 4 seat 'sportscar' is in demand.


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I think Porsche are more likely to survive the economic crisis than many other manufacturers, I'm sure I read somewhere that they are sitting on billions and billions of euros. Didn't they also take the hedge funds to the cleaners over VW shares a couple of months ago? Anyone who can afford to buy out the VW group can't be that short of cash.

Although they have suspended production and laid off some staff, I think they are just trying to run their business based on expected future income rather than using up their reserves.
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If I'm going to own a 4-door sedan or saloon, it's going to be all about comfort and luxury. Like . . . a Vanden Plas.
So when it breaks down one can be stranded in the utmost luxury...


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The side looks like a 456 but what do I know?


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