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Le Mans 24 hours

It's that time of year again! Race starts this afternoon and can be seen live at Live | The official website of 24 Heures du Mans French commentary, but with English too (some of the time!).

There is a stack of 458s in the GT classes for Ferrari enthusiasts, but outright honours (LMP1 class) will go to Audi, Porsche or Toyota.

GT classes are a good thing, but still the cars are a long way from the ones your or I could buy (finances permitting!) - wouldn't it be nice if they had a race for standard cars, just like the ones in the dealers' showrooms?

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Ferrari leading both GT classes at the moment.

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Huge crash takes out #3 Audi, #8 Toyota, and GTE AM leading Ferrari. The Toyota looks like it can be repaired.


The #20 Porsche is up to 3rd. I'm looking forward to Webber's stint.

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Le Mans is nothing without a rain

Toyota #7 is ahead by a mile, would like Porsche to grab the podium over Audis.

Ferraris are looking good, however, what I have seen from replays, Sam Bird (AF Corse #81) made a huge mistake, that is why #3 Audi and #8 Toyota crashed.

From the looks point of view, I am in love with the new Corvette.
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Sorry for the double post, but it is worth it.

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Audi onboard live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjORIV9EGso
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Sorry for the double post, but it is worth it.

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Audi onboard live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjORIV9EGso
Nissan onboard live


Thanks for the links!


There is a lot of great racing happening. Hartley is doing a great job for Porsche, and the Dempsey crew are doing very well. Hopefully AF Corse can climb their way back to the top.


Live timing is here:


The 2014 Le Mans 24 Hours | Live coverage of the Le Mans 24 Hours, round three of the 2014 FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) | Le Mans Live

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Great race this year!! Looking good for Porshce (overall), Ferrari (GT) and Aston Martin (GT amateur).

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So, Porsche #20 or Audi#2? Audi is more than 3 secs faster than Porsche, with less than 1 min and 10 seconds of advantage.
At this moment,Porsche #20 was in the pits, Audi is now very, very close.

I feel bad for #97 Aston Martin, the battle with Bruni was of epic proportions.
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All over bar the shouting now that the Porsche is out, so it will be Audi, Audi, Toyota. Shame - it was a great race while it lasted.

At least it looks as though Ferrari is going to win the GT class.

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Fantastic race! Well deserved wins for Audi, AF Corse, Aston Martin, and the #38 Zytek.

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what was ferraris announcement?
hints more than announcing I guess:
Alonso hints at Ferrari Le Mans entry | F1 News
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If they can't win at F1, I wonder what makes them think they can go the distance at Le Mans?

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If they can't win at F1, I wonder what makes them think they can go the distance at Le Mans?
Why not? Audi, Porsche and Toyota don't exactly have a great track record in F1.

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Why not? Audi, Porsche and Toyota don't exactly have a great track record in F1.
True, but when the common man thinks of endurance racing, he associates it with reliability, not speed. Hence the Germans and Japanese come to mind.

F1 is associated with speed, high technology, etc., which is the sector Ferrari has chosen for their persona, and they used to dominate it, Now it's dominated by a luxury car manufacturer and an energy drink manufacturer?

I believe that entering another series at this point would only dilute their efforts in F1, and provide more of an opportunity for further embarrassment.

IMO, they need to reestablish their dominance in F1 first, then as resources allow, perhaps enter another series. However it probably wouldn't hurt them to sponsor a few privateers at LM, just to test the waters.

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I don't know, they won the GTE am class and their la ferrari is poised to take the nurburgring. I bet they could develop a competitive car.



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I don't know, they won the GTE am class and their la ferrari is poised to take the nurburgring. I bet they could develop a competitive car.
The AF Corse Ferrari won GTE Pro
Another AF Corse Ferrari took 3rd in GTE Am

Which was great to see after all the talk about the new C7 vettes. ...but GTE is NOT LMP1. Any purpose built class is a huge effort compared to modified street car classes and requires a LOT more commitment. Ferrari certainly has the talent to go do it if they choose, but it needs to be an "all in" effort or theirs no point in going at all and I honestly don't know that ferrari has the bandwidth to jump into a whole new area.

I personally love seeing the road cars races and enjoy watching it more than the the higher made for the track class so to me this doesn't really matter all that much one way of the other.
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......but GTE is NOT LMP1. Any purpose built class is a huge effort compared to modified street car classes and requires a LOT more commitment.

.....I honestly don't know that ferrari has the bandwidth to jump into a whole new area.
My thoughts as well. Plus you don't go out and try something totally new when you're not doing so well at what you know best. That's changing strategies from a position of weakness, not strength. I would think Enzo would be spinning in his grave over something like this.

Imagine if Ferrari did this, and they go for LMP. Now imagine Mercedes decides to return to Le Mans and field an LMP also, and with their dogged determination and engineering they whip Ferrari there too as they've been doing in F1?
The conversation between Toto and Luca might go like this "Ok Luca, that's 2 for 2; care to try for NASCAR?"

Huge risk for Ferrari, IMO and the timing is wrong.

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True, but when the common man thinks of endurance racing, he associates it with reliability, not speed. Hence the Germans and Japanese come to mind.

F1 is associated with speed, high technology, etc., which is the sector Ferrari has chosen for their persona, and they used to dominate it, Now it's dominated by a luxury car manufacturer and an energy drink manufacturer?

I believe that entering another series at this point would only dilute their efforts in F1, and provide more of an opportunity for further embarrassment.

IMO, they need to reestablish their dominance in F1 first, then as resources allow, perhaps enter another series. However it probably wouldn't hurt them to sponsor a few privateers at LM, just to test the waters.

Just a couple of thoughts, John. Not sure to whom you refer when writing "the common man". My "common man" doesn't think about F1 OR endurance racing; it's NASCAR. But that's really just a quibble.


More important, you're right about possible dilution of efforts. And resources. Only if Ferrari has access to extraordinary financial and human resources can the Scuderia hope to succeed in both. And they're having enough trouble developing a competitive car in F1 to give serious pause.


As to sponsoring a privateer team in LMP10, IMHO that cannot work. What car would the privateer team use? If it's not a Ferrari the Scuderia harvests no benefit and can only reap embarrassment. And they already support leMans efforts in the GTE classes.

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