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Malaysian Airlines Missing Plane?

My wife & I are keeping close view of the updates for the missing flight and we're having a hard time understanding how a plane, 777 for that matter, can get "lost" in this day and age. With so much technology in the public and private sector, including satellite imagery, how do we as a collective society manage to lose whole f*ing plane? Very disturbing the search continues...

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I might be premature here but I bet we find out it just disappeared from radar because it blew up.


There were 2 passengers on the plane who paid cash, had consecutive serial numbered tickets and were travelling on stolen European passports. Passports were taken 2 years ago. This was not a spur of the moment set of circumstances. There are also reports that a military radar system showed them turning around before plane disappeared.


Speculation on my part but bomb blew up prematurely/accidently or hijacking went haywire and bomb was blown intentionally.


Also Malay authorities investigating lax security at airport.
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Our speculation and thoughts with prayers are also as you're writing. With the military radar wouldn't we know immediately where the plane is lost enabling a quick search & rescue to that location? We get it, if it blew up it's not a good ending but we'd expect floating debris and not just speculation of aviation fuel. This must be horrifying for families involved.

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We humans are so stupid, the things we fight and kill for. Sad to realize the realities we are in, especially nowadays.

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Air Traffic Control radar does not track "exact" location like you're thinking, and satellite imagery does not track in real time. They were almost at their cruising altitude and could have travelled quite far on the decent. As a result, the search pattern can be hundreds of square miles. And that's just two of many variables.

Big generalization: if an aircraft comes apart in flight, debris is usually scattered far and wide (think Space Shuttle). It is possible to vanish without a trace, but unlikely. That scenario is more likely if the aircraft hits intact at high speed.

Of the dozens of ocean searches I've been part of, we never found an object where calculations said it would be.

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I don't think it was planned - a group would have claimed it.

Of course it could have happened but that's not in my thought process til it's confirmed.

The only way they located the wreck was the oil / gas spill.
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Thank you for sharing your insight and experience. I haven't seen any news or speculation of a military exercise in the region so can we assume no foul play exists from a military mistake? That might explain the surprise without any alert from the pilot.

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I don't think it was planned - a group would have claimed it.

Of course it could have happened but that's not in my thought process til it's confirmed.

The only way they located the wreck was the oil / gas spill.




Malaysia's Transport minister did admit a letter was received from Chinese Martyr Brigade claiming responsibility but will not now say anything about it. We are not dealing with western governments here. Don't expect the same information sharing we get from American politicians hungry for camera time.


Also the oil slick was not jet fuel. They have no idea where the plane is and it might be a long time until they do unless something floats to the top.
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Brian is exactly correct. The flight out of South America took years to locate, and considerable time after that to determine that severe weather was the cause.

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Brian is exactly correct. The flight out of South America took years to locate, and considerable time after that to determine that severe weather was the cause.






I think it was a couple of weeks before we even found debris.


This could take some time. Its a big ocean, assuming it is in the ocean.
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I bet we never find out what happened.....
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I bet we never find out what happened.....
Oh no, they'll find out. It may take a while, but they'll find out.

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Are aeroplanes like ships in the sense that some material must float and be duly marked with the ships name in case she goes down?

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Are aeroplanes like ships in the sense that some material must float and be duly marked with the ships name in case she goes down?


Any part of that plane, even unmarked parts that might be recovered will be unmistakably a Boeing 777 part. It is not like we are missing several 777s.
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Any part of that plane, even unmarked parts that might be recovered will be unmistakably a Boeing 777 part. It is not like we are missing several 777s.
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Ok, here's another unenlightened question; why doesn't the black box float?

My world is ships, I don't know planes so please forgive my curiosity. My boat carries an EPIRB which must be indestructible, able to self release, float and send location and distress.

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Fair point.




A better answer to what I think you were asking is that there is an emergency beacon aboard that should be sending a signal. Not always a perfect system though as evidenced by the fact that it took a couple of years to locate the Airbus down in the Atlantic a few years ago.
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Ok, here's another unenlightened question; why doesn't the black box float?

My world is ships, I don't know planes so please forgive my curiosity. My boat carries an EPIRB which must be indestructible, able to self release, float and send location and distress.


It is very securely attached to the airplane.
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It is very securely attached to the airplane.
That doesn't make sense to me. Planes crisscross the planet and the planet is mostly ocean. The black box should surface?

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Why are the cellphones still ringing? This is very odd as well.
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