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il Capolino 01-25-2014 04:01 AM

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I think it's a nice micro commuter. If I get an electric vehicle it will either be a two-wheeler or the Twizy. In Lugano you get the best parking spots for free if you drive a micro electric car and you get free charging while you park. That is quite a treat for your city errands. The problem is you need to rent the batteries from Renault so you really need to use it daily. For me that's a turnoff.

Fiorano 01-25-2014 05:52 AM

Personally for a city commuter I think 2 wheels is best. The problem with anything 4 wheeled (regardless of availability of parking) is the length of time it takes to get from A to B. a motorbike will always get you there in a fraction of a time and parking will generally be within 100 metres of the final destination.

Provided load capacity, weather and the need to talk as you commute aren't considerations you can't beat a bike. Unfortunately for me all 3 are significant issues and so my days on 2 wheels are all but over. :thumbsdown:

il Capolino 01-25-2014 11:30 AM

Two wheels are definitely swift but like you say, carrying capacity and also winter climate make it difficult.

It may well be time now to be seen in an electric car occasionally when going to town. The green pressure is growing and for strict within-city errands it is clearly not a bad idea to pollute less. Outside of city limits I will gladly continue driving my classics but I'm considering the "E" option in town for ecological reasons and for general public acceptance. If people see you making an effort for the environment they find less reasons for envy when they see you riding in the nice cars. Times are changing.

Fiorano 01-25-2014 02:57 PM

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Times are changing.

Capo is changing :yikes: :crowngrin:

il Capolino 01-25-2014 04:56 PM

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Capo is changing :yikes: :crowngrin:

Maybe so but probably not by much. After my first test drive in an electric car you probably will see me running back to my 430 for comfort.:crowngrin:

I believe it's good to burn much petrol but perhaps burn less right in the middle of the city on a calm day. Burning very little petrol will not speed up political decisions but a high consumption will. It's a controversy based on very little faith in politicians which I think is sound. Political leaders are not like business leaders. Political leaders don't take tough decisions until it is politically safe to do so for maintaining power, i.e. too late. A successful business leader does the contrary.

Bluebottle 01-26-2014 01:14 AM

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You can go electric without losing performance / handling and if you only drive it in town the crummy range would not matter. And if you look at it very quickly, you could even think it is a Ferrari :thumbsup:

212Export 01-26-2014 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by il Capolino (Post 348857)
Maybe so but probably not by much. After my first test drive in an electric car you probably will see me running back to my 430 for comfort.:crowngrin:

I believe it's good to burn much petrol but perhaps burn less right in the middle of the city on a calm day. Burning very little petrol will not speed up political decisions but a high consumption will. It's a controversy based on very little faith in politicians which I think is sound. Political leaders are not like business leaders. Political leaders don't take tough decisions until it is politically safe to do so for maintaining power, i.e. too late. A successful business leader does the contrary.



Drove the latest Tesla 3 weeks ago. I was impressed, honestly. Build Quality was soso. But driving and power (600 NM)was very impressive.

Bluebottle 01-26-2014 08:48 AM

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Drove the latest Tesla 3 weeks ago. I was impressed, honestly. Build Quality was so so. But driving and power (600 NM)was very impressive.

I have to say that in principle they are a very attractive proposition, were it not for two things - range and price. There is still some way to go before the technology puts electric cars on a par with petrol. Today if you stick with petrol you can have a Tesla for a third of the price with twice the range - it's called a Lotus Elise. :thumbsup:

il Capolino 01-26-2014 10:33 AM

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I have to say that in principle they are a very attractive proposition, were it not for two things - range and price. There is still some way to go before the technology puts electric cars on a par with petrol. Today if you stick with petrol you can have a Tesla for a third of the price with twice the range - it's called a Lotus Elise. :thumbsup:

True!

That's why I'm only interested in something which is only suited for inner city scooting, something very simple like the Twizy. Outside of city limits I'm all for fossil fuel.

Fiorano 01-26-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by il Capolino (Post 349257)
True!

That's why I'm only interested in something which is only suited for inner city scooting, something very simple like the Twizy. Outside of city limits I'm all for fossil fuel.

Or you could wait a couple of years for this...
Yamaha reveals Gordon Murray city car | Autocar

il Capolino 01-26-2014 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry (Post 349265)
Or you could wait a couple of years for this...
Yamaha reveals Gordon Murray city car | Autocar

Very interesting, it will be 100 kg lighter than the Smart and narrower. There will also be a Yamaha three pot 1000cc version. Imagine a turbo charger on that engine, a huge silencer and then you put on the "E" stickers from the electrical version and your are all of a sudden Eco AND fast! Nobody will know there's a petrol engine under the bonnet.:thumbsup:

Bluebottle 01-27-2014 01:12 AM

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Or you could wait a couple of years for this...
Yamaha reveals Gordon Murray city car | Autocar

Cool! :thumbsup:


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