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R.I.P Paul Walker

I just can't believe it...

"Fast And Furious" Star Paul Walker Dies In Car Crash

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Sad indeed.
The police say "speed was involved."
Since it seems to have been in front of a crowd, they may have been showing off.
Very tempting in that part of LA, lots of open road.

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Sad indeed.
The police say "speed was involved."
I am not sure how you have a crash without speed being involved.

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he was driving a cgt in an office park and wrapped it around a tree then the car burst into flames and both passengers were killed.



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Top gear warned people about driving a Porsches too fast. You end up backwards into a tree.
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those cgt's do have a reputation. i think they call them dentist killers.



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I heard the driver was very skilled - regardless the CGT isn't a car to play with.

Sad - hope the youth that grew up watching his movies learned how fragile life is.

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Very sad anyones life can end so quickly. Just like the train crash in the Bronx today.
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Top gear warned people about driving a Porsches too fast. You end up backwards into a tree.
Top Gear said that about the Porsche 911, which is completely uncomparable to a Carrera GT. Likewise, a Cayenne or a Cayman are different propositions altogether, so using the phrase "Porsches" as a collective to describe their handling doesn't make much sense.

The inaccuracy of the above phrase notwithstanding, the Carrera GT seems to be building a reputation for one of the trickiest supercars. Many crash reports have been circulating for a small number of cars built.

Some more info here: what a terrible sight that Carrera GT makes. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-emerge-660827

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Top Gear said that about the Porsche 911, which is completely uncomparable to a Carrera GT. Likewise, a Cayenne or a Cayman are different propositions altogether, so using the phrase "Porsches" as a collective to describe their handling doesn't make much sense.
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Seconded. And not even 911s are really like that any more. I have owned mine (964) for 12 years and driven 60,000 miles in it without encountering any trees or other solid objects (maybe because I drive like an OAP) and the later ones are even less prone to lift off oversteer (problems with early 911s were more often the result of drivers reaching their own limit and backing off in a panic, than actually pushing the car beyond its limit).

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Very good point, John, there is of course 50 years of development in the 911.


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Thank you for the correction JazzyO.
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Sad indeed.
The police say "speed was involved."
Since it seems to have been in front of a crowd, they may have been showing off.
Very tempting in that part of LA, lots of open road.


Business park on the weekend = no other cars or traffic. Sounds like this sort of thing was on the agenda.


Sad about the loss of life but it is doubtful legal speeds or cautious driving were involved and really fast cars don't suffer fools.
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Latest take on this is that they were only going 45-50 and lost it on a 15 mph curve. Sounds kind of squirrelly to me, but....

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R.I.P.
I just watched the Top Speed segment. That car is a widow maker. I lost a good friend in a Viper crash. Cold tires, early morning dew on the roads and a Cadillac Escalade. The Escalade won.
My buddy was an experienced Ferrari 360 Challenge driver, but the inexperience with the high torque snake killed him.

Speed doesn't kill. Uncontrolled speed does.

Very sad, especially for a 15 year old daughter.
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Latest take on this is that they were only going 45-50 and lost it on a 15 mph curve. Sounds kind of squirrelly to me, but....

45-50 is pretty fast when hitting an immovable object.

The Enzo that crashed and killed its driver in the ensuing fire in Salinas/Carmel was a client of mine. He wasn't going very fast either when he hit the tree.
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Latest take on this is that they were only going 45-50 and lost it on a 15 mph curve. Sounds kind of squirrelly to me, but....
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I was told the same and looked at buying that exact CGT and went with the 16M.

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Brian, Doug- Yes, reminds me of Sir Stirling testifying for GM about the Corvair. When asked which he preferred, understeer or oversteer when he lost control, he said if he had lost control, it did not make much difference. Sounds like the CGT bit them and, like Brian said, 50 mph into a stanchion and then a tree makes for a very sudden, very high g stop. Plus a fire/explosion immediately upon impact.

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The current report is that there was a power steering hydraulic system failure which resulted in the car becoming unable to be controlled, in what ever situation they had put themselves into. Although no one is exempt from crashing cars, this make a bit more sense than an experienced race driver with a lot of seat time in Porsches, making such a severe mistake under his own conviction.

I had a direct experience with a CGT related death when the cars were brand new, an event which followed the recommendation to be mindful of the car as it's one of the more sketchy cars to drive at speed, on the road. I intend to avoid them throughout my career as I simply don't trust the machine and the stakes are a bit too high for my taste.

Unfortunately, the reality is that things can go extremely wrong when pushing any machine near it's limits. Room for error must be maintained, unless you're being paid good money to do otherwise. As they say, wrong place at the wrong time. Very sad.


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