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Do you guys remember these?

Funny! I always thought they were VW powered.

$100k for what amounts to a Dino replica.(and not a very good one at that) seems to be the result of smoking too much crack. Thoughts?

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post #2 of 24 Old 02-27-2013, 05:32 PM
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I remember seeing them when I was in High School.
There were a couple in our neighborhood.

I remember the VW exhaust sticking out of one. The sound reminded me of when I put playing cards in the spokes of my bicycle....

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I think it's fugly.....I'm not much into kit cars......and a 100K is a lot of money for a nothing brand.


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Neither am I Mario. What's interesting to me is this obviously is trying to align itself to the Ferrari mystique and I can't help but feel that in the current market of $300-500K Dinos this guyfeels justified with the idea that his car has an appropriate value. He even says as much.

Were these things really 20 grand when they were new?

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I agree with Mario above. You can buy so much with $100k

I wonder, how many members here have bought a car through eBay? Has there ever been a thread about this, and maybe their experiences (good and bad) from eBay motors?

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$20,000 in 1974 equals $93,141.58 today

I have personally invested $70,000 more in a complete frame off restorationand update



These are his quotes......WTF.... is this guy nuts? Damn, based on his scale, my car must be worth $500 - $600k by now

Also, he spent $70 on a restoration....damn, wish I was THAT shop.....lol thats like spending $400K for a 348 restoration.....LOSER.....

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70K to restore a kit car does seem excessive. Do Cobra guys spend this kind of loot for their cars?

MC I've known a couple of people who have bought F cars off ebay. Seems risky to me but hey.... caveat emptor!

I'm all for pursuing a passion but it seems like he's trying to ride the wave of real Ferrari value.... thus my reason for bringing it up. Makes one wonder if the high asking price is tied more to it being old versus being of value. Wonder if he's attempted to crash any Ferrari events with this thing?

Yeah the 20 grand comment.... that's actually more than a Dino in 1974. Hell that's apporaching the price of a Daytona in 1974 if I recall.

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I don't think they cost $20K back then. I'll do some digging.

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More than you ever wanted to know:

Kelmark Engineering was a kit car manufacturer based in Okemos, Michigan. The name came from the two co-creators, Russ Keller and Randy Markham - hence KELMARK. Although they built complete vehicles, most Kelmarks were sold as kits.

The Kelmark GT debuted in 1969, based on the Dino 246 GT and a the 1968 Corvette Astro II XP-880 concept car. The "Independence" model was a fiberglass body kit for a Volkswagen chassis, while the "Liberator"model was more customized and could go on a tube frame, Porsche or VW chassis,or even a custom combination. They also built the “V8-Vair” a V8 chassis for the Corvair, and the “Sleeper”, a V8 chassis for the VW Bug.

The Kelmark Club believes they built between 1000 and 1200 cars. Although no records exist, probably about a hundred were factory-built vehicles and the rest were kits. The $20K Mario references was for a car featured in Car & Drive back in Nov, 1979 which tried to hit 200mph. I can’t find an exact MSRP figure, Kelmark sales literature was very coy about that at the time, but they were several grand IIRC.

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Good stuff. Yeah I thought these kits were like a few grand not 20. Thanks for digging that up. It's kind of large in comparison to the all the others except the vette.

I agree Claude... let him dream.

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Don't like not cars either.
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HUH?????? Ok Tarzan.....LOL



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If i owned that i'd kick all the windows out and keep chickens in it.....
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If i owned that i'd kick all the windows out and keep chickens in it.....
OMFG......I just spewed coffee all over the place I laughed so hard......shit that was funny......

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I wonder, how many members here have bought a car through eBay? Has there ever been a thread about this, and maybe their experiences (good and bad) from eBay motors?
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Funny! I always thought they were VW powered.
They were....but there was a company, Mid engineering, that made a bunch of stuff primarily for the kit car market intended to mid-mount various engines. They even made a whole chassis that replaced a VW pan and held a 500ci caddy or 455 olds from the eldorado/toranado line.

I put a 500CI eldorado engine/trans subframe in a fiat x1/9 wat back when I was young and stupid. What a horrible car that was.....crazy fast though
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I put a 500CI eldorado engine/trans subframe in a fiat x1/9 wat back when I was young and stupid. What a horrible car that was.....crazy fast though
Mark, That is INSANE! I don't see how that's even possible! Any pics? Would love to know a little more about this.

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+1. I'd like to see that too.

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I found and bought my Ferrari F355 on eBay. To be more accurate, I found what I was looking for, but still went out of state to see it, inspect it, and review the service records (low miles and very recent Major Service through authorized Ferrari dealer).

Ebay, and the internet in general, is a good way to do a search for a desired car, but I would hesitate to buy without seeing any car in person.

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