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Forgotten Supercars?

I have been intrigued with the Jaguar XJR-15 for a while now and did actually come close to buying one a year or two ago (and might still do so at some point in the future).

Plenty of Supercars came out in the late 80's and 90's. For every F40, there seem to have been 5 others that quickly got forgotten. What would be the top 3-5?

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Jaguar XJR-15
Bugatti EB110
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The Jag is indeed intriguing but I read a report (Motorsport if I recall correctly) where they said on paper a great concept of a racer for the road but in reality the worst handling, ill mannered beast they had encountered on road and track.

Would add the Cizeta Moroder to the list-looks like a prototype for the Lambo Diablo.

And then there is the fastest of them all in the late 1980's, the Ruf CTR-1 (the infamous Yellowbird that blew everything away during a Road&Track top speed session at Nardo around 1987), it clocked a speed of about 20mph faster than the 959.
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The Jag is indeed intriguing but I read a report (Motorsport if I recall correctly) where they said on paper a great concept of a racer for the road but in reality the worst handling, ill mannered beast they had encountered on road and track.
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Tiff Needell drove one on Top Gear in the early 90's and seemed to have his hands quite full.....

http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-...502_209305.htm

I have heard from a few mechanics that by doiing a few minor things to the suspension, it is possible to sort it.
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The Jag is indeed intriguing but I read a report (Motorsport if I recall correctly) where they said on paper a great concept of a racer for the road but in reality the worst handling, ill mannered beast they had encountered on road and track.

Would add the Cizeta Moroder to the list-looks like a prototype for the Lambo Diablo.

And then there is the fastest of them all in the late 1980's, the Ruf CTR-1 (the infamous Yellowbird that blew everything away during a Road&Track top speed session at Nardo around 1987), it clocked a speed of about 20mph faster than the 959.
Didn't the yellow bird then proceed to blow up its engine?
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Didn't the yellow bird then proceed to blow up its engine?
Indeed I have heard stories of regular expensive rebuilds required for "yellowbirds"!
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I like the Jag, too. I read an article about that car recently, but can't recall which of my car mags featured it.

My favorite Supercar is the 288 GTO, but I also liked the Lamborghini Countach and the BMW M1.

Then, there's the Pagani Zonda PS, and more elusive (to the states anyway) Cizeta-Merider V16T, and Jiotto Caspita. Was Panoz a supermodel? Maybe not. Oh, and Aston Martin had the Bulldog, but I don't know if it went into production. And, although you state the yellowbird blew it away, the Porsche 959 might have been considered a supercar at the time. The Porsche 930 Turbo was real hot in the states (still is).

It was a great time for the European Supercars to come out! America lost the muscle car era which was destroyed by gov't regulations and restrictions as well as the high price of gas. For awhile, styling died, 120 MPH speedometers were replaced with 85 MPH speedos, 4 cyl.'s were everywhere, and I'll gingerly say the cheaply built (at that time) Japanese imports were ripe for the American market, and they flooded it well.

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Jag xj220 never received the respect it deserved, when introduced the most expensive production auto and fastest in the world albeit short lived.
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Jag xj220 never received the respect it deserved, when introduced the most expensive production auto and fastest in the world albeit short lived.
Actually I think the little known Jag XJR-15 has it beaten on price. A cool $1mil or GBP 500k when launched.
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Actually I think the little known Jag XJR-15 has it beaten on price. A cool $1mil or GBP 500k when launched.
A better looking car too if you ask me, looks like only 50 were produced.
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I always thought the McLaren M6-GT was the ultimate car back in the day.
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I always thought the McLaren M6-GT was the ultimate car back in the day.
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I always thought the McLaren M6-GT was the ultimate car back in the day.
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Agree, believe only two were produced and one was Bruce McLaren's personal wheels. More info:

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A better looking car too if you ask me, looks like only 50 were produced.
Officially 50 were made. One of the guys who worked at TWR at the time indicated that he thought only 37 were finished.

A dealer in Dutch who specialise in Jaguars owns a few and has stated that he has records on all 50. He also keeps telling me that the cars he has are worth 3-4X more than any of the others that come to market as they are in much better condition.
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A better looking car too if you ask me, looks like only 50 were produced.
ooooh to each his own my man, I prefer the 220 way more in the looks dept.

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ooooh to each his own my man, I prefer the 220 way more in the looks dept.
Very true.
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ooooh to each his own my man, I prefer the 220 way more in the looks dept.
Having seen them both, my vote is definitely for the XJR-15. Just stunning up close.
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I always thought the McLaren M6-GT was the ultimate car back in the day.
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And the engines were bulletproof. One of my all time favorites.
There is a fairly accurate street driven replica in my area in yellow. Stunning.

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Here is one for the distant past:

1992 Vector w9 Twin Turbo

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would definitely be a unique acquisition.
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The Jag is indeed intriguing but I read a report (Motorsport if I recall correctly) where they said on paper a great concept of a racer for the road but in reality the worst handling, ill mannered beast they had encountered on road and track.
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Having now driven mine a couple of times, handling on the XJR-15 is much better than rumor would have it.
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