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Google to China: FU



I have to say, I am happy to see someone finally stand up to China's government and basically tell them to F* off, that they aren't putting up with the BS anymore.

I've been to China and am tired of the hype. Most of all, I'm tired of them constantly making threats about the U.S. being protectionist etc etc. Getting pissed off you stole IP from us isn't protectionism. Time to remind them who built all the factories in their country that employee their workforce. It has largely been Foreign Direct Investment not their own businesses, that have built out the landscape. Time to start voting with your wallet. I say we move all the factories to India and South America.

I also recommend this book if you are interested in the subject:
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-China-Memoi.../dp/0060761393

Of course every country and culture has its own way of doing business and we need to respect that. But there comes a point when a government crosses the line by stacking the deck so much in favor of local businesses that it becomes flat out BS.

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I must admit i dont know much about this kind of thing Andrew but have heard a little about it on the radio. Didnt google say that they will no longer block certain searches the Chinese government asks them to eg for 'Human Rights' or 'Tibet' ?

If that is the case cant the government just stop ALL access to google in retaliation or does it not work like that?
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Information is power and the Chinese government has always been about controlling information. I'm suprised Google was even allowed in China to begin with.

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I must admit i dont know much about this kind of thing Andrew but have heard a little about it on the radio. Didnt google say that they will no longer block certain searches the Chinese government asks them to eg for 'Human Rights' or 'Tibet' ?

If that is the case cant the government just stop ALL access to google in retaliation or does it not work like that?
Yes, the Chinese government could block all access to Google in the end if they wanted to (and likely will if Google lifts its censorship). Therein is the crux of the matter. The Internet is inherently about sharing information and networking with individuals. YouTube is already blocked from China because of videos like this from the BBC of Chinese police beating monks and protesters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuTPNcxkAzM

I think that, coupled with the fact that Google's network was attacked, and the story unfolds. Google has had enough and it seems the attack to get data about individuals in China was the tipping point for Google to stand up.
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Yes, the Chinese government could block all access to Google in the end if they wanted to (and likely will if Google lifts its censorship). Therein is the crux of the matter. The Internet is inherently about sharing information and networking with individuals. YouTube is already blocked from China because of videos like this from the BBC of Chinese police beating monks and protesters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuTPNcxkAzM

I think that, coupled with the fact that Google's network was attacked, and the story unfolds. Google has had enough and it seems the attack to get data about individuals in China was the tipping point for Google to stand up.
I see, should be interesting to see how it unfolds.
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Andrew: I totally agree. Someone has to offer an alternative to their control and what they did, govt. sponsored hacking, with Googles [original] condone is not good: what was that, "Do no evil".

Let the Ch govt. figure their own slavery and not let us help: Shoot, they are even beyond cloning our stuff and doing original work....so, Google has NOTHING to truly gain here, even if they claim they are just helping keep a foot in the door: BS, China will out live Western [anyone actually] means by patience....but, only after they have drained Google [et al] dry.

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I dont know much about this, and I am certainly not defending the Chinese, but don't Western Governments censor the media too, or at least put pressure and restrictions on what they can say? Elsewhere in the world the BBC might be highly regarded, but here in the UK the BBC news is so left wing and pro government it makes me sick. The Government regularly put injunctions on TV and print media preventing them from saying anything bad 'in the interest of national security'.
I'm sure it's the same in other western countries too, the national broadcasters will always put a spin on the news to say how good it is in the west. Go to other parts of the world and the news we report isn't reported in the same way. Al Jazeera don't report the news the same way as the BBC, SKY or CNN.
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I dont know much about this, and I am certainly not defending the Chinese, but don't Western Governments censor the media too, or at least put pressure and restrictions on what they can say? Elsewhere in the world the BBC might be highly regarded, but here in the UK the BBC news is so left wing and pro government it makes me sick. The Government regularly put injunctions on TV and print media preventing them from saying anything bad 'in the interest of national security'.
I'm sure it's the same in other western countries too, the national broadcasters will always put a spin on the news to say how good it is in the west. Go to other parts of the world and the news we report isn't reported in the same way. Al Jazeera don't report the news the same way as the BBC, SKY or CNN.
Who's right and who's wrong?
I totally disagree with the above as it applies to the United States. The government cannot pressure the media to say one thing or another, unless I am completely naive on this.

Yes, the media can be VERY, and I MEAN VERY biased towards one position or another, but the opinions are coming from the news rooms and editors themselves.

The biggest difference, anyone that doesn't agree with them (media or government) can openly say it in public, at a protest in front of the media's outlet, on the lawn of the government, here on FLife, a blog, a video upload to YouTube. In China, the citizens are silenced and the truth often hidden. I honestly believe that isn't the case here, otherwise I'd be afraid to say these are all the wrong things we've done in the past:

- Trail of tears (basically wiped out the Native American population)
- Slavery
- Human rights violations in the '50s and '60s
- Taking TX and Southern Cal from Mexico in war

The list goes on and on. The difference is the U.S. government isn't trying to hide these things. Turn on CNN or if you want to be shocked, Fox News, and you'll see the media slamming the government left and right for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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you forgot beastiality porn

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you forgot beastiality porn

Man what the Jungwa rens are missing
The irony is you and I both know the guys in the commy party are stroking one out probably once a week to hot blonds on Playboy.com because their computers aren't under the same filter as the rest of the Chinese citizens.
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I totally disagree with the above as it applies to the United States. The government cannot pressure the media to say one thing or another, unless I am completely naive on this.

Yes, the media can be VERY, and I MEAN VERY biased towards one position or another, but the opinions are coming from the news rooms and editors themselves.

The biggest difference, anyone that doesn't agree with them (media or government) can openly say it in public, at a protest in front of the media's outlet, on the lawn of the government, here on FLife, a blog, a video upload to YouTube. In China, the citizens are silenced and the truth often hidden. I honestly believe that isn't the case here, otherwise I'd be afraid to say these are all the wrong things we've done in the past:

- Trail of tears (basically wiped out the Native American population)
- Slavery
- Human rights violations in the '50s and '60s
- Taking TX and Southern Cal from Mexico in war

The list goes on and on. The difference is the U.S. government isn't trying to hide these things. Turn on CNN or if you want to be shocked, Fox News, and you'll see the media slamming the government left and right for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You are right to an extent Andrew, and yes we in the west do enjoy freedom that others dont, and yes we can say nearly anything without fear of persecution. However, I still dont think we have absolute freedom in the west, or certainly not in the UK, it might be different in the USA. Governments will let people go so far, but as soon as anything that might bring down the government is mentioned, the government lawyers get injunctions to prevent the truth from coming out. A few years ago a very highly respected British Government scientist accidentally blew his brains out while he was out walking his dog. Of course it had nothing to do with the fact that he was about to spill the beans on the government's knowledge that there were no WMD's in Iraq. This affair also brought down the head of the BBC and a senior BBC journalist. Their crimes were, trying to report the truth. In the UK we have endless enquiries about public interest news stories, but in the end there is always a cover up and the government get away with it.
Yes we do have more freedom than some countries, but only if we dont say anything that will bring down a senior government figure or the Royal family.

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Wow Andew never seen you shown such emotion before i hear you loud and clear, but you have to admit China does have the bargaining power right now i mean after all they are the largest holder of U.S bonds, you are right most of the companies and factory were build for foreign countries BUT like all things cash is king and they have plenty, thanks to dumbass Bush the world power have shifted in a big way and the Chinese knows about this, Google is just a tip of the ice when it comes to control, crazy enough this control have also make a fortune for them. Now you say control or freedom? wealth or poor? is up to different individual to decided.

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