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post #1 of 7 Old 07-04-2019, 06:42 AM Thread Starter
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Is BAT the new dumping ground for dubious Dinos?

Bring a Trailer has listed a Dino that appears to be combined from two prior cars from far different models. Furthermore, BAT, is aware that the VIN plate has been welded over and not original yet they allow teh auction to continue and teh owner hides from questions.

This feels like a setup and some poor buyer is going to get something far different than anticipated resulting in sour grapes. Shame on BAT for allowing this falsified Dino to be listed for sale.

I see they also have a 330 GT with a V-8 engine, is this a trend at BAT?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ri-dino-246gt/

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As with any auction, due diligence is required. And, speaking from first hand experience with one of the sellers, this is NOT the first time a vehicle or history has been misrepresented. The Scaglietti numbers stamped on the car will quickly point to the chassis number. I'm sure that Marcel Massini could get to the bottom of this....As to what BAT should do, they know.
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As with any auction, due diligence is required. And, speaking from first hand experience with one of the sellers, this is NOT the first time a vehicle or history has been misrepresented. The Scaglietti numbers stamped on the car will quickly point to the chassis number. I'm sure that Marcel Massini could get to the bottom of this....As to what BAT should do, they know.
Great point.
Did you see the BAT comments where the seller responded that he would provide the requested pictures of the additional production stamping numbers and seller then went 100% quiet, changed his mind and did not show the Scaglietti body stampings for Chassis 01208

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Did you see the BAT comments where the seller responded that he would provide the requested pictures of the additional production stamping numbers and seller then went 100% quiet, changed his mind and did not show the Scaglietti body stampings for Chassis 01208
I did. Did you really expect the seller to come forward? I know that I did not. It is interesting (entertaining?) to watch some of the cars that are auctioned by pseudo experts be dissected by folks that actually know what they're looking at....And even with some degree of disclosure, a stuffed 430 manual spider was sold at fair market value. Think about the lunacy of that sale; a major accident and sold for $145K, plus premium? Just wow!
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marcel massini did make a comment

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As with any auction, due diligence is required. And, speaking from first hand experience with one of the sellers, this is NOT the first time a vehicle or history has been misrepresented. The Scaglietti numbers stamped on the car will quickly point to the chassis number. I'm sure that Marcel Massini could get to the bottom of this....As to what BAT should do, they know.
I followed the sale specifically all the comments. I would say it was the most interesting BAT sale and I learned alot about Dinos and people with amazing knowledge about the car. The VIN was poorly welded on, no photo of the steering column. There were a few people bidding, not sure why, either out of greed or ignorance. The car didn't sell.

Marcel's comment form another forum

Jul 2, 2019
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The welding of the metal plate with the chassis number stamping looks very very strange to me.

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Thing is, it probably started out innocently enough. There was a time it was a sub-$40K car, it wasn’t worth the time and expense to vet it properly.

It also spent quite some time in Italy where there is all manner of techniques to avoid taxes. I've read about situations in the 90’s, where VINs were swapped in order to avoid sales and other taxes. Doubt anyone there looked closely or probably cared (or was paid not to).

My guess is the VIN was swapped while in Italy. Since it wasn’t worth much, it wasn’t scrutinized when brought to the states. Held in some guys garage until he died. Current owner bought it from the estate, thought he’d make a quick buck. He’s had it for sale in several Ferrari publications since at least last November. It’s gotten a documented reputation since then, so no serious Ferrari buyer, broker, or auction house will want to touch it.

The consignment dealer may be out nothing more than his time and commission, but the seller is in for a world of hurt now. I’m guessing his wallet is going to be six figures lighter……

I also note the difficult spot BaT is in, but disappointed at the way they tried to weasel out once the listing blew up.

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There was a 246GT for sale a couple of years ago in Canada that was completely disassembled. The price was fair but the owner (or supposed owner) was acting very oddly about telling me the serial number. I wonder if this is that car.
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